The South China Morning Post reported that that the Chinese government had ordered Beijing bar owners to ban Blacks and Mongolians (“undesirables”) from entering during their establishments during the 2008 Summer Olympic Games. The article stated: (photo credit:kk)
Bar owners near the Workers’ Stadium in central Beijing say they have been forced by Public Security Bureau officials to sign pledges agreeing not to let black people enter their premises… Security officials are targeting Sanlitun (district), which Olympic organizers expect to be a key destination for foreign tourists looking for a party during the Games. The pledges that Sanlitun bar owners had been instructed to sign agreed to stop a variety of activities in their establishments, including dancing and serving customers with black skin, they said.
When pondering this news, it is easy to recall the quote, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Non-Whites and some Blacks become engrossed with the historical White articulation that negatively stereotypes Black males as unintelligent, lazy, hypersexual, etc. Therefore, it is easy to see how Asians, Latinos, and other non-Blacks have embraced the fear of Black males. (See here).
The White social reproduction of racism utilizes stereotypes that creates fear of Black males affects other groups that are non-Black within the U.S. and abroad as well. Feagin argues that the images of Blacks, and stereotypes and fear created from these images are a central component to the operation of systemic racism:
What most Americans and those internationally who have never met a person of a darker hue know about racial and ethnic matters beyond their own experience is what they’re taught by those who control major avenues of socialization, such as the movies, music videos, television, radio, and print media that circulate racist images not only in the United States, but across the globe.
Thus, the attitudes and actions adopted by others across the globe in regards to the reproduction of racism are not independent, but contingent upon the White racial machine targeting people of color for the goal of ultimate White supremacy. Feagin quotes a survey in the 1990s that targeted Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese Americans who had been in the U.S. for one generation. The results indicated that this sampled group had adopted and accepted the fourteen generations of anti-Black attitudes that has existed within the U.S. Many groups such as these mentioned, Irish, and Italian U.S. citizens have positioned themselves to Whiteness and all social, economic, and psychological benefits it encompasses.
If anything, due to the crimes against Asians historically within the world, the bars near the Olympic gatherings should be first closed to Whites instead of a group of people for whom they have shared holding the links to their oppression.
If true, this is absolutely disgusting. But, it makes sense. I have a (white) friend who just returned from a group tour in China and commented on how many Chinese pawned, stared at and wanted to take pictures with the black members of the tour group.
I’m pretty sure I won’t be going anytime soon.
Many don’t recall but prior to the So called Tinnamen Square pro-democracy demonstrations and subsequent Massacare in the late 1980s, Chinese students were attacking African exchange students because they felt they were being given preferential treatment by the Chinese Government. Note: they did not attack the government , the source of their complaints. They attacked the ‘easy’ and most visible targets, the Blacks. Sounds familar, doesn’t it? Similar events occurred in the former Soviet Union and its satellites states as they were breaking up. Obviously, social privation in many if not most of these countries play a major role in these events. But I have to think that the globalization of the outward the expression of violence and hate, via cable news, etc., combined with a tradition of anti-Black-ism plays apart also, among others.
Penetrating observations, indeed. The global depth and power of the antiblack frame is accented in Terence’s last comment. They should be allying themselves with Blacks, and countering whites who discriminate globally against Asians!?
This story is almost too hard to believe. There should be universal condemnation and outrage. But then again, this is China and it seems that most of the world is turning a blind eye to other civil rights atrocities that they regularly commit. I’m puzzled by the author’s assertion that this action can be traced right back to US white society though. Most, if not all, non-white societies employ a social system in which their homespun racist ways relegate darker complected folks to the bottom rung- be it Asian, Hispanic or other cultures.
Further, if we take Dr Fitzgerald’s earlier point as fact – ‘…taught by those who control major avenues of socialization…’ then i would have to think the Chinese have home home-brewed this hatred. If there is any society the US doesn’t control it is China. Certainly our western ways have begun infiltrating Chinese society, but to me it seems a reach to lay this one at the feet of white US society.
What the article says in the “South China Morning Post” is true. For example my wife is Chinese and I’m White and we also live in a Chinese community. You will see a white man and Chinese woman almost every day however you WILL never see a Black Man and a Chinese women together. It’s just completely not allowed. You see China doesn’t CARE what the rest of the world wants or believes in. The Olympics is for power and gain not to ease their societies standards or beliefs.
Whether or not the quote of “If anything, due to the crimes against Asians historically within the world, the bars near the Olympic gatherings should be first closed to Whites instead of a group of people for whom they have shared holding the links to their oppression” is true or not I won’t comment however you must look at it from an aesthetic point of view.
The Chinese businessman doesn’t look at corporate America as being represented by a black group, organization or entity but rather looks at it as being represented by white America. Therefore the point that Dr Fitzgerald makes will never be valid because when dealing with China you’re dealing with a country that only cares about saving face and making money and if that means singling out a race that doesn’t mesh then that is the way it will be.
Wow. I would have to argue Dr. Fitzgerald does make a point as my state still had slavery after it was “legally abolished” (late 1800’s?)–it was Chinese workers that laid the railroads, did much agricultural work, mining, etc. And it was brutal, resulting in thousands of deaths in a very short period of time. In that respect, I see Dr. Fitzgerald’s point valid when it is especially tied into U.S./American history, then tying it into the trajectories and/or influences of capitalism and globalism. I understand Dave’s point that China believes to be appealing to white business men, etc., but that ties into the whole point of systemic racism and how that white frame has been spreading globally, etc. In terms of Chinese women not dating black men…I am aware of exceptions…particularly among those who are second generation+ (and of parents tied very strongly tradition, etc.)…. Overall, it’s a very sad piece, but well done in my opinion…we are in 2008? Right?
I don’t know that the matter of Chinese women, specifically, or, Asian women, generally, lack of involvement, romantically, with Black men, is, for the most part, relevant or important in the big picture in the Chinese negative impression of Blacks. I can recall an article I read, or rather, a transcript, of a meeting between Henry Kissinger and Chairman Mao, whereby Mao offered to Kissinger the exportation of millions of Chinese women to America because they were rather bothersome, or something to that effect according to Mao. So perhaps, that we don’t interact with these girls, if Chairman Mao is to be believed, is a blessing in disguise. Nevertheless, it’s rather shocking if it’s true that Chairman Mao would have such an impression of his ‘native’ women.
Moreover, I have been following the dynamics of the Chinese in Africa and the friction they are creating there among some African working classes and elite. Obviously considering the import of the resources there and games that must be played to gain some advantage over them. Still, it’s interesting to here and read about evolving dynamics of these interactions. I suspect a tha rate they are going, the Chinese will say that it was “The Blacks” who begat the Opium Wars, Marco Polo, the rape of the women of Nanking, Slave labor in the western US , etc. Damn. We don’t git no break. LOL. In short,who really cares if Chinese or Asian women don’t romantically interact with Blacks. Who Cares?
On one hand, it’s definitely an overgeneralization to say they don’t. But on the other, for those who don’t, it is likely due to influence of racism, etc., irrational fears that are taught from the dominant white society, etc. Well, it matters for biracial couples who are Asian and African American, and even more so, for those who have children together and the various types of racism their children will inevitably endure. But it also matters because it shows how powerful and influential racism is against African Americans, not only in this nation with relation to dating relationships, but obviously so far beyond….
In terms of devaluation of women and the consaquences it has had and is currently having on the nation, that is a very important point. (they are becoming more and more valued in China, ever so slowly due to the one child policy, etc.) But here I have seen preferential treatment given to male siblings, pregnant women wishing for boys, and so on. The devaluation of daughters is very painful, for those in families who favor sons over daughters. And this is not the case for all Chinese or Asian families. What I have never personally seen is an Asian man dating a African American woman, ever…though I would never say that has never has, or doesn’t happen….
I agree, there are different issues being addressed. But I think to blame China for the overt discriminatory treatment it is exhibiting towards members of African American communities and not giving the U.S. proper credit for the negative influences is problematic. The only way that type of claim could be held as standing on its own, so far as I see it, is if it had its own brutal and grim history of Chattel slavery where the majority of slaves were from Africa and/or of African ancestry, etc. and it had a separate, but nearly identical systemic racist history such as ours (and 90%+ of its economic wealth…and still growing…was essentially blood money, etc.)…and completely independent and wholeheartedly unknownly from the slavery in the U.S. What they are doing is wrong, but the “why” is the key question and I think addressed in the main post and various comments above. And true that there is no break…it seems any where in the world….
On an entirely different note, I am curious as to how Obama either has, will, or would respond to this…Well, and McCain too….
Closing thought though, which ties into Dave’s above just a bit. This shows how strong racism is in this nation and how influential the active devaluation of African American members are not only here, but eerily correctly perceived by other nations. They are reflecting not only what they have learned and stereotypes associated with it, but carrying out treatment they think is appropriate towards their U.S. “guests”(?) if they can even be considered so? One of the other most powerful countries in the world seeks to show deference and show its respect(?) by oppressing those very people representing our nation, thinking it will impress us? If I am understanding this correctly…if so, it’s nothing more than a direct reflection of our own nation, racism, and encouraged devaluation of African American communities in general that not only is carried out on a daily basis here, but projected to the rest of the world…. Oops! We’ve moved beyond racism…I completely forgot…whatever….
In response to Mordy,
When one traces the depths of Black oppression, the beginning point is located within the United States. As we move into the 21st century where acts of racial oppression is not as clear, we can not underestimate the effects of America’s social reproduction of racism and its fluidity as it travels across the world within covert modes of transference. The hierarchy that was set in place during the founding of this country is still in effect psychologically within the hearts of all people not only here within the U.S., but abroad as well. Our so called founding fathers have set the pace for the manner in which Blacks are still viewed today. Yes, Asians, Latino/Hispanics, and other darker skinned people share within a system of oppression by the White power structure, but as Patricia Collins notes (See Definition of the Matrix of Domination), those oppressed can soon become the oppressor.
Dr . Fitzgerald, yep. The formerly oppressed indeed can become oppressors. Take for example the extent of anti-black-ism in latin American countries. Whether it’s Columbia, Peru, Equador, Mexico, Dmoinanca Republic, etc, the extent of it all is astounding. Racial hierarchies, with whites on top, abound. And they make no apologies about it.
My grandmother, who was born and raised in Hong Kong, is racist against black people, even though she has had little interaction with them. Her favourite movie is Gone With The Wind. I think Americans underestimate the cultural influence they have over the rest of the world.
There is definitely an asymmetry, where non-U.S. countries know more about American culture than the U.S. knows about non-American culture. Although people of non-U.S. countries have warped views of the United States from consuming American entertainment, a lower proportion of Americans are even watching foreign films and television, or follow non-U.S. news.
I also find all this generalization about Chinese and Asian women not dating black men offensive. Comment #7 manages to be both racist and sexist. It’s interesting that speculations about the properties of Chinese American women (and Asian American women) are linked back to foreign Chinese in China. Apparently, you can deduce the mentalities of Chinese American women (and Asian American women) because they look the same as Chinese people in China. Comment #7 even thinks Asian (American) women are interchangeable with Chairman Mao’s offering, because they are both Asian.
I guess the perpetual foreigner stereotype persists even on antiracist blogs.
Restructure, that is a very good point about Gone with the Wind. It is probably the most watched movie globally, in terms of more places most of the day, yet presents slavery America in a highly racist and fictional framing. The little data we have on this show that folks overseas do “learn” much about US from our racist movies and other media.
As for the perpetual foreigner stereotyping of Asian Americans being common lots of places, including occasionally from comments here (I am not sure GDWAG meant that, but he needs to clarify his point), I agree. It is one of the oldest racist views of Asian Americans, dating back to at least the 1850s. Good point. (We rarely censor comments here, BTW.) We have made your point in previous blog posts (see Aug. 6)
Hmm? Exactly what is sexist and racist in my post that Restructure mentioned? I only pointed out Chairman Mao conversation with Kissinger. Those were his words and opinion. Not mine. As such, what is your opinion of Mao’s comments and opinion of Chinese women? As far as “deducing mentalities of Chinese American and Asian women. From my personal observation the anti-Black-itis is not solely the province of Chinese (American). I’ve seem it displayed in Phillipinos, Koreans, Thais, Japanese, etc. Darkie Tooth Paste anyone?
And to “the Perpetual Foreigner,” As Black American, I am what you think you are, since 1619 in fact. So I am not feeling you in this regard.
Just a little history here though. If I’m not mistaken, as a result of the Civil Rights Movement, an additional benefit was accorded Asians. It’s called “The 1965 Immigration Act.” It dove-tailed, so to speak, with the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. From this, ‘Asian’ immigration increased drastically to the US compared to the era when Eugenics flourished on these shores, and Anti-Immigration efforts directed toward non Europeans, thereby effectively bring a halt to immigrants from Asia, to the extent that it is today. Thank you.
And I still stand by my declaration that who cares if “Asian” women in the US do not interact, romantically, with Black men in this instance. I think we have much more important things to worry about than anybodys’ sensibilities on this issue. It’s crazy.
BTW, there are Black women , African women, American women, European women, and Hispanic women, to name a few categorizations. Why the beef with Asian women as used here? And finally, your pointing out your racist grandmother attitude towards Blacks suggest that it maybe usage of the terms as I did maybe interchangeable it seems to me.
Sorry, I meant “I guess the perpetual foreigner stereotype persists even for readers/commenters of antiracist blogs.”
I know that comments don’t represent the views of the blog. I just found it ironic to see something like that here.
I think Americans underestimate the cultural influence they have over the rest of the world.
I agree. And also all the American companies or products, which flood the world. Including skin lighteners with adverts which sell “being light/white skinned is beautiful/successful” etc., promoting whiteness on a not so subtle level
Funny you should mention skin lighteners JWBE. I ‘ve been reading recent reports on this phenomena from Jamaica and Uganda to name two. And, I can recall pre-1960s Black America. That is, before the Black Power and Black is Beautiful campaigns that such practices were common in our community. The men even “processed” their hair (Straighten It with Chemicals). Really a non-issue now, thank-fully.
And to you, Restructure, what I’m exercising is called freedom of speech! Even us Blacks can exercise such rights on occasion. In truth, I meant not to be deliberately offensive. But I thought your comments were a distortion of my comments and, further, you completely ignored the gist of what my comments try to imply concerning Chairman Mao’s take on his women and the lack of interaction, outside of commerce, between Blacks and Asians. Again, for me really a non-issue when you consider everything else we are faced with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KCbjxxzTE&feature=related
Ok enough is enough! LOL I started the Asian woman thing and Ill stop it! As GDAWG said who CARES!
To Seattle in Texas : That is appropriate and funny at the same time. Love your response today!
;), no problem Dave–it made for discussions in areas people just don’t dare to go, which, forces people to think in a variety of directions, dimensions, avenues, etc., which is what we all need anyway~so, thank you!
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.
Wow. “Areas people just don’t dare to go”? I guess you must be the first person who ever broached the topic of “Asians are racist”. After all, if it weren’t for your innovative racial insights into Asian culture, nobody would be discussing Asian racism.
Restructure~no innovation on my part at all, quite obviously. In the scholarly world it’s being discussed in some circles and areas, and even there, I have only had one class that hit directly. Other than that I have only had two classes that discussed issues in China specifically–that hardly makes me an expert… I don’t know what things are like where you’re at, but I do where I come from. And even then, again, I would never claim to be an “expert” on Asian racism or even Asian relations for that matter…so, I apologize if you took it as such. When I said “areas people don’t dare to go” I meant that with relation to primarily the world outside of academia when I said that…but now thinking about it, even inside in many, if not most, areas. We can pretend like it’s all open and people are comfortable talking about it all–it’s everyday conversation for all folks? We can pretend that we all completely understand each other? That will do a lot of good…. Better yet, let’s just skip it all and be colorblind, that will fix it all?
I understand the goal of this website is to help educate others and allow people of all backgrounds to participate in discussions if they so please–not limited to only those who have been privileged in terms of education attainment, etc. Down here it is just discussions, while the main post is always the authority–with the occasional intervention of the blog owners and/or authors.
Take offense or not~we can all either agree to disagree and learn the best we can from others, or shut it all down and seal it up tight and deny the feelings and experiences of others–whether we like them or not…I think all people should be able to discuss and especially help break down negative stereotypes and distortions when they can…just my thoughts….
…and I have to laugh because I would never even claim to be an “expert” on my own groups of origins…they each alone, and with all of their own interrelated dynamics are complex enough….
Sorry. For my last comment to make sense, change “you” to “Dave” and “your” to “Dave’s”.
Since you mentioned it, criticism. No disrespect restruct, but UR a distraction. You have not added anything constructive this this thread.
GDAWG I guess “RESTRUCT” forgot to realize that this is a blog about racism analysis not a place to butcher peoples analysis. We are all entitled to our opinions or views however a well thought out post should be a prerequisite to post here along with common decency and respect. Am I correct?
Man…Restructure–no problem. And GDAWG how can that be said? I thought the point about Gone with the Wind and U.S films viewed internationally as compared to here and the impact it has on global systemic racism, and how that serves to promote and perpetuate racism against specifically African American members around the world, was most excellent for example…still a movie I have personally never seen and it sounds like one I really don’t want to. But with that aside, the walls are up high and the pain is deep for a lot of people in this nation, which goes well beyond…I don’t like seeing hatred and devaluation directed toward any groups from any groups (as well as denial of the pain, etc.)…I think the distractions come when groups are pitted against each other, which serves to only keep the oppressive structures and barriers in place , etc., and otherwise potential good and constructive dialogue(s) being snuffed into the realm of silence. So, what are the solutions? The best place to start is I think with the Systemic Racism theory? Which is a great starting point for those in college or who are scholars, etc., but there are a great many who aren’t…leading to the question of what good are theories and knowledge if it only stays within the confounds of the institutions? I don’t really know…but the pain is deep and very real…and it all has to be confronted and acknowledged some where, sometime at both the smaller and larger levels and among and between scholars and those who are exluded….
One of my personal favorite scholars, Winona LaDuke would argue it’s growing pains of which cannot be bypassed…of which this nation has much to look forward to, and such a long way to go…. If the growing pains of this nation are inevitable, are there ways to make them any less painful and allow for the national maturation of this country to come about more smoothly? And the maturation would necessarily involve the very name of one of the bloggers above, Restructure!
Seattle in Texas,
I am sorry to say but I do not think we can bypass the pain. This seems a road we must follow especially when the country…the world refuses to have honest conversations about racism and oppression. As long as we continue to keep our heads in the shadows, this pain will continue to grow in intensity.
Hello Dr. Fitzgerald–I don’t think so either, and I think you are right about it only growing in intensity….thank you for putting up a very good post that not only raised awareness, but sparked a little conversation–even if it went into different directions. 🙂
SiT: You are correct that Dr. Fitzgerald’s post got mis-directed to trivia or the mundane, IMO. The golbal anti-Black propaganda campaign predates Gone With the Wind. This anti-Black-itis can be trace back to 700 AD and before, actually, according to my information and references, so I don’t give much props to narratives like GWW. I thought we would take the discussion in a another direction. Such as, why hasn’t the administration, and others of the International Olympic committees make hay out of this issue. But then I began see the most recent NYT magazine this past Sunday and a report by this doomsday economist and his warning about the US’s current account deficit and who provides the capital to keep it afloat, which is funded, largely, by the Chinese. So that lets me know there will not be much jaw jacking in our behalf in this matter. This is the direction I wanted the discussion to take.
Gdawg:
Your point about the account deficit is very correct. China is such a huge exporter of goods and services that the US would think twice about ruffling any feathers over there. The only action that could possibly occur would be some sort of boycott however boycotts as we know have very little impact if any. Plus where are we going to get all those little toys your kids expect in a happy meal!
GDAWG – I missed your comment #14. There is something strange going on with the comment order.
You quoted Mao, but you also added, “So perhaps, that we don’t interact with these girls, if Chairman Mao is to be believed, is a blessing in disguise.” Now this sentence can be interpreted as sarcastic and a criticism of Mao. However, you then said, “Nevertheless, it’s rather shocking if it’s true that Chairman Mao would have such an impression of his ‘native’ women.” (emphasis mine), which means that whatever point you were making previously is a different point from being shocked at Mao’s impression of his ‘native’ women. It is a reasonable interpretation, then, that your former sentence is not sarcastic in nature, but speculative.
You seem to completely miss my point and why I brought up the “perpetual foreigner” stereotype. My main criticism was not that you generalized from one Asian ethnic group to all Asian ethnic groups. My point was that you extrapolated from a foreign culture (e.g. Chinese in China) to an American culture (e.g. Chinese in America). Asian Americans did not invent Darkie toothpaste; Asians in Asia did. That you mix together these two groups because they share the same ‘race’ is an example of the perpetual foreigner syndrome.
What exactly is your point? I’m Canadian, so you’ll have to explain what this is supposed to teach me.
I care, because your declaration is a racist generalization. Obviously, there are Black and Asian couples, and some have Blasian children. These people also care, because you are pretending that they do not exist. This is not about “sensibilities”, but incorrect racial generalizations based on your lack of experience.
Please fix your grammar, as I can’t understand what you’re saying. Either way, I was pointing out one instance of a Chinese woman being anti-black, while you were making a generalization about all Chinese women.
I have explained in the earlier part of this comment why it’s not a distortion.
This is, again, a generalization, that Blacks and Asians don’t interact outside of commerce.
I find this quite baffling. Perhaps you should read what I have contributed instead of dismissing it as an intention to suppress freedom of speech.
GDAWG–I like that direction, and you took us straight to it. Something else I didn’t know–you are a most excellent communicator of complex issues. Keep it up for all of us, k? Maybe you’ve begun a whole new dialogue in a different direction? Unfortunantely and admittingly, my knowledge in this area is lacking, so I am sorry for that…but if the dialogue goes and I have something to offer, I will jump in. I would love to learn more and read more about it–so, I hope if there’s others out there that know about this and/or have thoughts on it, they will share. Most awesome G, and thank you! 😀
Seattle in Texas:
Outside of academia, non-academic folks discuss Asian racism, especially Asian racism against black people. I have provided five specific examples in that comment as links; two of those links are from Asian internet forums. The specific phrase “Asians are racist” has 6,340 Google hits; I provided a link to the Google results in that comment as well.
I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that I want to shut down conversations about race. Perhaps I used the wrong phrase, “offensive”, which often results in people accusing me of being against freedom of speech. I take offense at racist generalizations, because they are incorrect.
Please explain how I am being immature, if that’s what you’re implying.
Yup. A blessing in disguise.
GDAWG, not being condacending and Restructure, you misunderstood, especially the last part. The way the term “maturation” is used, is with reference to the life course of this nation. Different idea, from different theoretical framework, though complimentary to the Systemic Theory. My experiences have been different, especially over the last several years since I’ve been in traditionally white institutions…so I have not been exposed to such discussions. And again, perhaps I’m entirely wrong and they take place everywhere and I am just blind, I don’t know. But thanks for sharing anyway~these discussions are not everyday for me or even most others I know for that matter….
But one thing I wanted to ask both you and GDAWG, or anybody that might know or have thoughts on it. With relation to GDAWG’s post above, at least as of now I see the acts of discrimination against African Americans in China as being directly influenced from the U.S.. But, with what G put up, it seems as though it could be tied to something that goes much further back than the birth of the U.S., etc. With that, GDAWG, do you believe the acts targeted against African American folks over there ties to their own systemic type racism that is independent from U.S. influence? (but if that were the case, I would have to argue the U.S. has not helped and with Restructure’s examples above only reinforce it)
And I have other thoughts that kind of relate off to the side in a round about way. First, is I am aware of a study that showed several international students related just the word “white” to concepts such as, clean, pure, and so on and “non-white” to the opposite, “dirty”, and so on. The questions were asked without the term “race” being question. The next question seemed to indicate they were not thinking in terms of “race” when they answered the quetions. With that said, I don’t know if such concepts are generalized to people by the folks who provided these types of answers?
And my last question is whether or not the businesses just blocked African American folks, or all folks of African ancestry or who are from Africa directly? I ask, because I think there is a new type of “model minority” emerging (or has been perhaps…though would argue they still face massive barriers because of their skin color alone), which are folks that immigrate directly from Africa–at least in the Pacific Northwest, in certain areas (definitely not everywhere) they are accorded as perhaps the “exceptions” in many different arenas. Moreover, many go to significant lengths to no be associated with African American folks and/or communities…Is China only excluding African Americans only and reflecting a similar trend as the white U.S. folks in that regard?
Those are my further thoughts and questions on the issue(s)~
SiT: The International Herald Tribune, April15,1992. An article discussing racism in China- the cultural aspect.
Byline Dick Wilson.
LONDON: The human race, according to a Chinese legend, was created by a divine potter who left his clay figure of a man too long in the kiln. When it came out burned and black, he threw it away as far as he could – and it landed in Africa. The second one he pulled out too soon: It was too white. So he threw that one away, more gently, and it landed in Europe. Now he knew the correct timing. The third man was a gorgeous yellow, and from him the East Asian races descended.
Second as I noted in the run-up to the riots in Tinnamen Square, Chinese students were attacking African Exchange students.
The racism is basically anti-BLack-itis. Where they, the Blacks, are from, seems to be irrelevant. At least the cultural evidence.
Just to clarify my points.
…….Mr. Dikotter tells how ugly the Chinese found the “ash white” skin and indelicate hairiness of Europeans. Their large genitals were also noted with disapprobation, and perhaps with envy. As for blacks, they were described in earlier centuries as even uglier – as animals, devil-like and horrifying. “Yellow and white are wise,” a Chinese poem ran, “Red and black are stupid . . . ”
In Japan, a black, Harvard-educated anthropologist, John Russell, is publishing research showing that Japanese prejudice against Africans and American blacks is similar to what these groups experience in the West.
Interesting data on China, GDAWG. Do these Chinese legends/views tie negative views of biological/physical characteristics to negative views of cultural characteristics (both seen as inferior)like Western racism? And likewise for positive characteristics? It sounds like Europeans are considered inferior in their scheme too?
I see, thank you. Okay, I am finding I’m short on words at the moment so let me lay low for #41 above, K? Just wanted to tell you thank you, GDAWG
Joe I hope this helps. Hat-Tip to Modern Tribalist.
Frank Dikötter has traced various discourses of race in China from the late nineteenth century based on myths of origins, ideologies of blood, and narratives of biological descent that have been central to the cultural construction of Chinese identity. Barry Sautman attributes the rise of anti-Africanism among the Chinese intelligentsia in the reform era (1978-present) to the return of racial stereotyping and elitist values dating back to Imperial China that link and denigrate those who are dark and those who are poor.
Reparations/apology from Canadian Govt to Chinese immigrants who were charg a head tax to immigrate there ealty 20th century: Hmmm?
Canada repents for racism on Chinese
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2006-06-23 07:22
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper offered a long-awaited formal apology to the Chinese community for the racist head tax levied more than 120 years ago.
“On behalf of the people and government of Canada, we offer a full apology to Chinese-Canadians for the head tax and express our deepest sorrow for the subsequent exclusion of Chinese immigrants,” Harper said at the House of Commons with a few aged survivors of the head-tax era looking on from the gallery.
The head tax, ranging from 50 Canadian dollars to 500, was assessed on Chinese immigrants from 1885 until 1923 when immigration from China was banned entirely. Canada opened its doors again to Chinese immigrants in 1947
GDAWG, thanks, that is very interesting on both of your last posts. I wonder if the Chinese borrowed their racist ideas also from the European racist tradition that takes off strongly in the 1600s, and is central in Western literature in the late 1700s to the present?
How far do we blame white racism for other peoples anti-black attitudes ? Must “non-whites and some blacks” follow white programming like some robot ? Are they lacking in independent thinking ability ? At what point is it their fault ?
oh my god. Please
So the Chinese banned Blacks from the Beijing bars during the olympics. I’m Black/Puerto-rican. For blacks its no big deal. We don’t sweat ignorance. The Chinese need to stop getting Sudan’s oil. After all Sudan’s ethnicity is called Sudanese, get it? Sounds little Chinese. Stop doing investments and building infrastructures in Africa. By the way take every black invention that was created in the US out of that country like the window cleaner, the letter drop mailboxes, traffic lights and the elevators. Especially the bicycle frames on their bikes. Let’s see them survive without those. That would teach them a lesson about their hatred toward blacks. The Chinese think they’re all that but they’re not. There’s a yesteryear say that the smartest ones are the most dumbest ones that’s why they have one of the lowest literacy rates in Asia. China wouldn’t be China if it wasn’t for black inventors launching their inventions in America. Just like our clothes on our backs, shoes on our feet and everyday items, materials and units that’s labeled; “Made In China”, the black inventions in China should be labeled; “Made In The USA By Blacks”. That would be the blacks non violent justice revenge on the Chinese. The Chinese would think twice about having hatred toward blacks on their homeland.