Comments on: 912 Protesters Fueled by Racism, Hatred of Obama http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:43:46 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10440 ellen says Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:28:04 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10440 @ Darin: I hope you know by now I'm not one of the 'haters' on this blog! You are kinda of a pest though! {Just kidding!} Truly though, hating accomplishes nothing, and pretty darn much defeats the purpose of this site. The only people I've ever gotten really angry with here are people who've I've detected that hatred in. It's not healthy! And not democratic..and it certainly doesn't further the cause of anti-racism or pro-humanity. Anyway, yeah..I'll see you in the next poli-sci class! @ Darin:
I hope you know by now I’m not one of the ‘haters’ on this blog! You are kinda of a pest though! {Just kidding!}
Truly though, hating accomplishes nothing, and pretty darn much defeats the purpose of this site. The only people I’ve ever gotten really angry with here are people who’ve I’ve detected that hatred in. It’s not healthy! And not democratic..and it certainly doesn’t further the cause of anti-racism or pro-humanity.
Anyway, yeah..I’ll see you in the next poli-sci class!

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]]> By: Darin Johnson http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10431 Darin Johnson Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:48:11 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10431 Okay, fair enough. At this point in his career, I think liver spots are much more likely for Jimmy Carter than freckles. Don't you? . My statements about the supposed 400% increase are based on nothing more than a strong intuition that it's not true. Hopefully I've been pretty clear on that point -- I have not investigated the claim personally, and I don't even know where it came from. . Finally, if I've misstated your arguments it wasn't on purpose. I've done my best to address them head-on, since you've taken the time to have a rational, reasonable argument. That being said, I'm sure I didn't capture every nuance. It's not a format that lends itself to detail very well. . I'll tell you what, let's just let it go while we're on reasonably good terms. I enjoyed the discussion very much, and it's clear that your position is more complex and thoughtful than I initially gave you credit for. I hope we bump into each other again. Okay, fair enough. At this point in his career, I think liver spots are much more likely for Jimmy Carter than freckles. Don’t you?
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My statements about the supposed 400% increase are based on nothing more than a strong intuition that it’s not true. Hopefully I’ve been pretty clear on that point — I have not investigated the claim personally, and I don’t even know where it came from.
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Finally, if I’ve misstated your arguments it wasn’t on purpose. I’ve done my best to address them head-on, since you’ve taken the time to have a rational, reasonable argument. That being said, I’m sure I didn’t capture every nuance. It’s not a format that lends itself to detail very well.
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I’ll tell you what, let’s just let it go while we’re on reasonably good terms. I enjoyed the discussion very much, and it’s clear that your position is more complex and thoughtful than I initially gave you credit for. I hope we bump into each other again.

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]]> By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10425 ellen says Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:27:44 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10425 @ Darin: Honestly, Darin, I don't see the point of continuing this discussion if you persistantly invalidate my sources. 1. Jimmy Carter {Who him? He's freckless plus his daughter had too many freckles!} 2. Death threats toward Obama up 400 % {That's a lie!} 3. Some opposition to Obama is racially based {ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they’re racists.}. I never used this Absolute. So, if you insist on claiming my sources have freckles and re-wording my thoughts so you can affectively combat them, I can't continue this fruitless discussion. But thanks anyway. I still think the wittiest, most observant thing you ever said, was that we won't be singing interracially on a hillside soon, teaching the world to sing and buying it a coke! lol @ Darin:
Honestly, Darin, I don’t see the point of continuing this discussion if you persistantly invalidate my sources.
1. Jimmy Carter {Who him? He’s freckless plus his daughter had too many freckles!}
2. Death threats toward Obama up 400 % {That’s a lie!}
3. Some opposition to Obama is racially based {ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they’re racists.}. I never used this Absolute.
So, if you insist on claiming my sources have freckles and re-wording my thoughts so you can affectively combat them, I can’t continue this fruitless discussion.
But thanks anyway. I still think the wittiest, most observant thing you ever said, was that we won’t be singing interracially on a hillside soon, teaching the world to sing and buying it a coke! lol

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]]> By: MOM@Michael http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10421 MOM@Michael Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:37:33 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10421 I get it! Well done!:) I get it! Well done!:)

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]]> By: Darin Johnson http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10413 Darin Johnson Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:16:33 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10413 Ellen, that's MY point. I think you're talking yourself in circles. Focus like a laser: . ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they're racists. DARIN: No they don't. People oppose Obama because he's a Lefty. ELLEN: Look at all the bad things they're saying about him -- plus, he's black. DARIN: They said that and worse about Bush -- was that racism, too? . But I'm glad you agree with me, now. . Do you think Jimmy Carter is a respectable, level-headed statesman, or something? He's a joke. He's never met a dictator who's side he wouldn't take -- especially against America, and ESPECIALLY if said dictator calls himself a "Marxist." He was an incompetent, freckless president, and he's a disgraceful, self-important ex-president. But at least he's an ex-president. Thank God for small favors. . As for the 400% increase, I wonder whether even you find that number credible. It's just implausible on its face. Especially given all the energy around Bush's first election. It's a liberal fantasy -- that the right's kooks are kookier and more violent than the left's. But, hey, let's have a look at the data, maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I'd bet dollars to donuts the denominator's screwy, though. Ellen, that’s MY point. I think you’re talking yourself in circles. Focus like a laser:
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ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they’re racists.
DARIN: No they don’t. People oppose Obama because he’s a Lefty.
ELLEN: Look at all the bad things they’re saying about him — plus, he’s black.
DARIN: They said that and worse about Bush — was that racism, too?
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But I’m glad you agree with me, now.
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Do you think Jimmy Carter is a respectable, level-headed statesman, or something? He’s a joke. He’s never met a dictator who’s side he wouldn’t take — especially against America, and ESPECIALLY if said dictator calls himself a “Marxist.” He was an incompetent, freckless president, and he’s a disgraceful, self-important ex-president. But at least he’s an ex-president. Thank God for small favors.
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As for the 400% increase, I wonder whether even you find that number credible. It’s just implausible on its face. Especially given all the energy around Bush’s first election. It’s a liberal fantasy — that the right’s kooks are kookier and more violent than the left’s. But, hey, let’s have a look at the data, maybe I’m wrong, who knows. I’d bet dollars to donuts the denominator’s screwy, though.

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]]> By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10411 ellen says Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:11:40 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10411 @ Darin: Read Post #68 and go to the site listed. Horrible depictions of Signs With Very Explicit Bloody Death Threats to Bush. Mark makes the Excellent point this was Unacceptable then and Will Always be unacceptable! Thank you Mark for a hard-to-find site. I looked myself for such signs/death threats to Bush to prove a point but couldn't find one. @ Darin:
Read Post #68 and go to the site listed. Horrible depictions of Signs With Very Explicit Bloody Death Threats to Bush. Mark makes the Excellent point this was Unacceptable then and Will Always be unacceptable! Thank you Mark for a hard-to-find site. I looked myself for such signs/death threats to Bush to prove a point but couldn’t find one.

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]]> By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10408 ellen says Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:47:06 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10408 Finally! A President who tells the United Nations to stop stalling and help out! As I mentioned in another post: I'm Tired of the international community expecting America to shoulder the burden of every other nation's problems. C'mon already..Move! By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer – 18 mins ago NEW YORK – Seizing a chance to challenge the world, President Barack Obama says the global community is failing its people and fixing that is not "solely America's endeavor." "Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world's problems alone," Obama said in a passage of the speech he was delivering Wednesday to the United Nations General Assembly. The White House released excerpts in advance that carried a remarkably blunt tone. It comes in Obama's first speech to this world body, a forum like none other for a leader hoping to wash away any lasting images of U.S. unilateralism under George W. Bush. In essence, Obama's message is that he expects plenty in return for reaching out. "We have sought in word and deed a new era of engagement with the world," Obama said, echoing the cooperative theme he promised as a candidate and has since used as a pillar of his foreign policy. "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility." He said if the world is honest with itself, it has fallen woefully short. "Extremists sowing terror in pockets of the world," Obama said. "Protracted conflicts that grind on and on. Genocide and mass atrocities. More and more nations with nuclear weapons. Melting ice caps and ravaged populations. Persistent poverty and pandemic disease." The president added, "I say this not to sow fear, but to state a fact: the magnitude of our challenges has yet to be met by the measure of our action." Tell it like it is Obama! Why is everything America's burden? Then we get dumped on as soon as these 'allies' get their 'Care Packages', 'Military Support' whatever it is they're whining about at the moment. Finally! A President who tells the United Nations to stop stalling and help out! As I mentioned in another post: I’m Tired of the international community expecting America to shoulder the burden of every other nation’s problems. C’mon already..Move!
By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer – 18 mins ago
NEW YORK – Seizing a chance to challenge the world, President Barack Obama says the global community is failing its people and fixing that is not “solely America’s endeavor.”

“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone,” Obama said in a passage of the speech he was delivering Wednesday to the United Nations General Assembly.

The White House released excerpts in advance that carried a remarkably blunt tone.

It comes in Obama’s first speech to this world body, a forum like none other for a leader hoping to wash away any lasting images of U.S. unilateralism under George W. Bush.

In essence, Obama’s message is that he expects plenty in return for reaching out.

“We have sought in word and deed a new era of engagement with the world,” Obama said, echoing the cooperative theme he promised as a candidate and has since used as a pillar of his foreign policy. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility.”

He said if the world is honest with itself, it has fallen woefully short.

“Extremists sowing terror in pockets of the world,” Obama said. “Protracted conflicts that grind on and on. Genocide and mass atrocities. More and more nations with nuclear weapons. Melting ice caps and ravaged populations. Persistent poverty and pandemic disease.”

The president added, “I say this not to sow fear, but to state a fact: the magnitude of our challenges has yet to be met by the measure of our action.”
Tell it like it is Obama! Why is everything America’s burden? Then we get dumped on as soon as these ‘allies’ get their ‘Care Packages’, ‘Military Support’ whatever it is they’re whining about at the moment.

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]]> By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10406 ellen says Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:27:22 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10406 In Addition: The girl Mildenberg represents says she heard a member of The Valley Club in Huntingdon Valley ask, "What are all these black kids doing here?" and say, "I am scared they might do something to my child." The state report also noted that other large groups that came to the swim club did not generate the same reaction. For example, a plumbing company has held an annual party at the club that draws about 100 to 125 people each year, about five to 10 of them black, the report said. It found that far more children were in the pool for those parties, yet no club members threatened to quit and guests did not report "inappropriate or rude comments" from club members. In Addition:

The girl Mildenberg represents says she heard a member of The Valley Club in Huntingdon Valley ask, “What are all these black kids doing here?” and say, “I am scared they might do something to my child.”

The state report also noted that other large groups that came to the swim club did not generate the same reaction. For example, a plumbing company has held an annual party at the club that draws about 100 to 125 people each year, about five to 10 of them black, the report said. It found that far more children were in the pool for those parties, yet no club members threatened to quit and guests did not report “inappropriate or rude comments” from club members.

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]]> By: ellen says http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10405 ellen says Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:23:26 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10405 By DAN ROBRISH, Associated Press Writer Dan Robrish, Associated Press Writer – Wed Sep 23, 12:08 am ET PHILADELPHIA – A state panel has found probable cause of racial discrimination at a suburban Philadelphia swim club that asked a day camp group of mostly black and Hispanic children not to return, a ruling the club's lawyer blamed late Tuesday on the "media firestorm" that followed the incident. The Valley Club in predominantly white Huntingdon Valley, Pa., has denied there was any racial motive behind its actions June 29, when children from Creative Steps Inc. day camp went to the club and their payment for swimming was refunded without explanation. The club has maintained that there were too many children for the number of lifeguards on duty and that many of the children who were at the club couldn't swim. Brian Mildenberg, a lawyer for a black girl who was part of the day camp group, said at a news conference Tuesday night that the report from the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission was the result of a thorough fact-finding process. "They looked at all the e-mails that went back and forth," Mildenberg said. The messages quoted in the report include one from club board member George Whitehill to the rest of the board that said in part, "Race is an issue since every email of complaint mentioned race." http://cbs3.com/topstories/The.Valley.Club.2.1201711.html By DAN ROBRISH, Associated Press Writer Dan Robrish, Associated Press Writer – Wed Sep 23, 12:08 am ET
PHILADELPHIA – A state panel has found probable cause of racial discrimination at a suburban Philadelphia swim club that asked a day camp group of mostly black and Hispanic children not to return, a ruling the club’s lawyer blamed late Tuesday on the “media firestorm” that followed the incident.

The Valley Club in predominantly white Huntingdon Valley, Pa., has denied there was any racial motive behind its actions June 29, when children from Creative Steps Inc. day camp went to the club and their payment for swimming was refunded without explanation. The club has maintained that there were too many children for the number of lifeguards on duty and that many of the children who were at the club couldn’t swim.

Brian Mildenberg, a lawyer for a black girl who was part of the day camp group, said at a news conference Tuesday night that the report from the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission was the result of a thorough fact-finding process.

“They looked at all the e-mails that went back and forth,” Mildenberg said.

The messages quoted in the report include one from club board member George Whitehill to the rest of the board that said in part, “Race is an issue since every email of complaint mentioned race.”
http://cbs3.com/topstories/The.Valley.Club.2.1201711.html

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]]> By: Mark http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/09/14/912-protestors-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-10402 Mark Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:51:41 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=3527#comment-10402 Horrible signs at rallies have been happening for years. Sadly, the fringe of both parties give the sane ones in the middle a bad name. Check out some of the action from W's days. http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621 Terrible on both accounts. All human decency was thrown out the door for both W and Obama. Horrible signs at rallies have been happening for years. Sadly, the fringe of both parties give the sane ones in the middle a bad name.

Check out some of the action from W’s days.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Terrible on both accounts. All human decency was thrown out the door for both W and Obama.

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