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ByOn Saturday (9/12), thousands of protesters gathered in Washington to express their disdain for President Obama and his policies – particularly health care reform. The crowd was populated by white political conservatives — – organized by a loose-knit coalition of anti-tax, small-government proponents, and widely promoted by sympathetic voices in the blogosphere and on TV and talk radio. The protest was scheduled for 9/12 – the day after the anniversary of the terrorist attacks – as way to mark a point in time when Democrats and Republicans supposedly “shared a sense of purpose and unity and all Americans were patriotic.”
What few, if any, of the mainstream reports included in their coverage of the event was any discussion of the racial composition of the 912 crowd which was overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, white. According to The Washington Independent (the only news source I could find that was talking about this issue), the crowd was “99 percent white.” The reporter noted, “in my four-plus hours at the event, I’d only seen three African-American demonstrators.” When the reporter asked Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), one of the organizers of the event, about the lack of racial diversity in the crowd, DeMint blamed the event’s timing and the media coverage.
“If anyone does a fair analysis of the crowd, it’s a cross-section of the population. It’s probably just the time and organization and the media that promoted it,” DeMint said.
Now, just because it’s an exclusively white-folks event doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s fueled by racism, but it does give one pause. I certainly think it’s possible to oppose the policies of the Obama administration and not have those views fueled by racism. Yet, you can tell a good deal about a protest from the images and iconography that protesters choose to convey their message. And the signs people created and carried provide another kind of other evidence that the rhetorical and visual strategies of the protesters drew on a deeply embedded white racial frame.
While at least one news report (CNN) characterized the signs carried at the rally as “particularly distasteful” (e.g., “Bury Obamacare with Kennedy”), none in the mainstream media have called out the protesters for the overtly racist signs many of them carried. Here’s just one example (via Alternet):
The crudely drawn ‘monkey’ image in the middle of this sign suggests the deeply racist imagery of Obama that appeared during the campaign and has continued throughout his presidency. There are some more of these racist signs posted here. This is the same kind of racist hatred that is fueling the 400 percent increase in death threats to Obama that I mentioned here yesterday.
Although it’s possible that mainstream news outlets are not reporting on the racism at these protests out of some sort of concern for stoking the flames of racism, it seems more likely to me that those deciding on what is – and is not – newsworthy are steeped in a white racial frame that hinders them from accurately perceiving the many ways that the 912 protest is rooted in racism and white supremacy. The combination of this racism and the intense hatred of Obama makes for a dangerous combination.
You mean extremists like Obama? Anyway, I don’t know what that rant has to do with anything. I get it — you don’t like Rush Limbaugh. So what? Does the fact that Rush Limbaugh reminds you of a cartoon preacher make your arguments stronger?
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Ellen, will you refer me to the posts where you objected to the vile, contemptible, and possibly illegal posters and other materials produced by the opponents of George W. Bush? I just want to read through those posts really quick so I’ll be sure I understand your position fully. Surely there must be dozens of posts where you point out that depicting the president as a chimp or comparing him to Hitler or showing him with a bullet hole in his head is objectionable back when Bush was in office; so if you’ll just send me a link to those posts I’d appreciate it.
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No? Oh.
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Forgive me if I suspect that your intolerance of “extremism” goes only one direction.
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As for your five-point summary of what “America” does when the president is black, four of them go on whatever color or party the president is (you just didn’t care about them until now), and the fifth is almost certainly not true.
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By the way, the guy with the gun at the rally in Arizona was black. Did you know that? Is he a white racist, too? If so, the definition must be even more expansive than I thought.
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You think Limbaugh’s shtick is just for entertainment, that he doesn’t buy it himself. I’m not so sure. Well, I mean, he does tend to overstatement and irony, which is easy to miss, but I’m pretty sure he thinks socialized medicine is a terrible idea, regardless of Obama’s race, and he hopes to convince people he’s right. Based on what I’ve heard from Limbaugh, it’s pretty clear that his ideological enemies underestimate him (perhaps purposefully) when they write him off as an entertainer. On the other hand, he clearly does NOT speak for the Republican party — just ask John McCain. His ideology is much more classical liberal than the Republicans’.
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MOM, did you know that average IQs actually increase at a rate of about 0.3 points per decade? I’m not saying processed food is good for you, but I have seen no evidence that it explains variations in IQ. Have you?
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Darin, I do know that IQ can be increased period. I lost that debate a long time ago, in class, with about fifty other people. LOL However, that is not what I’m talking about.
IQ tests were invented to identify children who had learning handicaps, right? My debate is how can we accurately give a test across the board, to all children, of all race, and expect those children to fit in the same “mold” as other children, who have not been exposed to the extreme pollutants. The test, therefore, cannot accurately measured the level of IQ. I also feel, without factoring those children s environmental conditions then those children will always come up short in comparison to the average norm. I also, have a real hard time with labels. I feel that labeling a child actually hurts the child’s physic, and therefore, will hurt their chance of ever getting out of the vicious circle of labels. I feel, that maybe, rather then labels etc. that the teaching methods, in every school across the nation should be modified to the child, not the child being modified to the standard curriculum of the school. I truly believe that there are many children that “fall through the cracks”, and if had been given the chance would live as successful productive live in our society. In other words, I feel the IQ test is just something to measure a child’s performance at a certain age, which is true, but not a fair or accurate measurement of IQ. However, there are schools set up in this Country that do just that. They work with the child at their own levels of focus, and are vary successful, but unfortunately, are very expensive for parents, especially, from lower social environments to send them to. Getting back to my theory. I believe, that every person that is born into this world, is born with varying degrees of focus period. Therefore the IQ test still would not be an accurate measurement of IQ even without all the factors, that I mentioned above..
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Yes, did you read the post that I wrote about processed foods? They not only processed, but genetically engineered,. There are about 5 major food companies in the world that hold the seeds of wheat etc. Monsanto, DuPont, and I forget the others, but I’m sure you could do the research.. Those companies, because of GREED, have put a lot of framers out of works because of the way that they these companies manufacture many of our foods.
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IQ test cannot accurately measure children across the board. IQ tests were designed to identify children with learning disabilities, and that in turn, puts labels on children. I feel, school teaching methods should be molded for the child not the child molded for the average norm.
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Darin Said:” Ellen, will you refer me to the posts where you objected to the vile, contemptible, and possibly illegal posters and other materials produced by the opponents of George W. Bush?”
I know you’re being sarcastic. Hardy har-har. Actually, I do object to any American president being hung in effigy by our citizens. Oppose the policy, but Americans waving signs that depict American presidents as men who began WWII {27 million people died in that thing by the way} is..here we go again..Extremist.
Why would you claim my ‘extremism’ goes only one way? I mentioned the ACORN tape which actually has Never been mentioned on this site before. I assume you know what I’m talking about? All the Righties are discussing it. In this case, yeah…I’m upset with the Left Wing Acorn plan because on the tapes {which once again Darin..just like our ole argument about the Slavery By Another Name site you did Not bother to check out} two undercover reporters enter a total of 3 ACORN offices posing as a prostitute and her boyfriend. They say they want to obtain a housing loan so she can set up a brothel. Plus they say they want to bring illegal underage girls into the business from South America. In all 3 cases, the ‘agents’ at ACORN didn’t blink an eye..but proceeded to tell them how to set up the brothel, evade paying taxes and more advice on how to ‘keep your mouth shut’ about the illegal girls. Unbelievable.
I don’t want my tax dollars going to ACORN if it supports Human Trafficking. The concept behind Acorn is admirable, but it must obviously be monitored cause it’s being abused.
Yet again {getting dizzy yet?} back to the Left..I still think Obama is definitely being defamed because he’s a black man As Well As because many people don’t agree with his policies. So, why do I have to prove to you I’m not a hard-core Lefty or Righty..But Against all forms of Racism and a strong Human Rights Advocate. Plus, I happen to like Obama..so sue me.
You know darn well Darin, that if an Asian man/ Latino man/ man from India/gay man /a woman/ ran for president, the country would go through another growing pain thingy just like we’re going through now.
What exactly is your point anyway? That if Obama can’t stand the heat, he should leave the kitchen? I mean you admitted that racism plays a part in castigation of Obama a few posts back..so? Plus, Obama seems to be handling the heat pretty well. The Secret Service have their hands full however.
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PS: I also think Michelle Obama is a cool dresser! Where does she get those neat clothes?
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LOL Ellen, Maybe Rush was hired to start rumors or create propaganda!!:) And, they say women are the complainers. LOL
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There’s something to this vicious cycle you’re describing. The heritability of IQ is debatable, but it seems like there’s consensus that between 40 and 80 percent of variation in IQ is from genes. The remainder is determined by environment. However, there’s good evidence that the environmental effect is not from parents and the home, but from the external environment — peers. This is one area where blacks specifically, but the poor in general, are at a real disadvantage.
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That’s bad faith, Ellen. As you know, I did watch both videos you suggested and commented on both, even though you declined to stipulate that they were relevant to our discussion.
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I know about the ACORN video. Okay, listen, if you’re the exception to the rule around here — that any strenuous debate or argument from the right is classified as racist, especially if it’s directed at Obama, then I’ll owe you an apology. So far, I haven’t really seen it. You’re proclaiming that Obama is “definitely being defamed” because he’s black. Your evidence: a few questionable signs and the fact that Rush Limbaugh reminds you of Elmer Gantry.
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The reason I keep bringing up Bush is not to be sarcastic but to point out how strenuously you seem to be labeling simple, every-day policy disagreements as race-based defamation — even though we had eight years of worse without a peep from you or anybody else who is so exercised about the tone of the debate now. Even if you were right that Obama’s critics all hate him because he’s black, that’s still not worse than the regular, explicit and public calls for Bush’s death we all saw with our own eyes. You can’t explain those based on white racism, so maybe people are just jerks (that’s what I think).
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The fact that you’re upset about ACORN is admirable, I suppose, since it is upsetting, and I suppose it’s true you aren’t accusing the reporters of racism, so that’s good, too. I wonder what you think the concept behind ACORN is. It seems like the strong-arm wing for progressives to me.
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I totally disagree with what you claim I “know darn well” — that Obama’s race matters a whit in the large-scale debate. It doesn’t. Sure, it matters to the kooks, of whom there are too many, but they aren’t relevant. The fact is that a black man who was pushing for low taxes and reduced regulation would have Limbaugh’s full support. And mine. It’s about politics, not race.
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Darin Try to think “out of the box”. Don’t believe everything you read out of a book. Theory’s can be disproven,
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Darin Said: “You’re proclaiming that Obama is “definitely being defamed” because he’s black. Your evidence: a few questionable signs and the fact that Rush Limbaugh reminds you of Elmer Gantry.”
Darin..Jeez..please scrutinize my posts more carefully! You keep deleting ‘bunches’ of stuff. What about the 400% increase in Obama death threaths? What about Jimmie Carter’s little speech about how he thinks much of Obama’s criticism is in regard to race? He stated, “I think many Americans don’t think a black man is competent to run our country.” I’m taking your points one at a time cuz you have a tendency to bunch everything together and dismiss a lot of ‘kinda important details’.
So, do you think Jimmie Carter’s opinions have any merit? A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no” will do nicely. Why do you think death threats are up 400%..surely you don’t think this is “I just reeeeelly don’t like the guy’s stance on the ozone layer depletion. I kinda think we should guillotine him.”
Plus, you’re the one always bringing up Limbaugh. Just cause Limbaugh criticizes someone doesn’t mean doodly.. I already stated he’s just Barbara Walters dressed like a fat bald man. Plus what’s with Elmer Gantry..I said Elmer Fudd.
At any rate, just respond to One issue at a time please: 1. death threats up 2. Jimmie Carter’s statement. What do you think?
After that we’ll discuss ACORN which I think is a pretty big deal. And No! Why would I accuse the reporters of racism? The culprits were caught red-handed. Yeah they were black and they were abusing the system atrociously. I don’t think All Blacks abuse the system, but the ones on the ACORN video sure were!
You keep putting me {again} in the extremist camp where I don’t belong Darin. If black people commit a crime, they should be held responsible. Black citizens are not children, they know when their activities are illegal. They should pay the price of this behavior just like everybody else.
And the ladies in the video seemed Quite Familiar with the intricacies on how to evade the law. Plus, they were willing to turn a blind eye to human trafficking of underage children being sold into prostitution? Sorry. No sympathy from me here.
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[...] September 22, 2009 · Leave a Comment For the last few weeks we heard in the political debate that the massive opposition to healthcare reform present in American society, visible through the various ‘tea party’ movements, is nothing but a result of blatant racism towards Pres. Obama, organized by the Republican party. This allegation reverberates a shared feeling in parts of sociology that the tea party movement is nothing but a sham to cover racial prejudice and conservative bias. Over at Racism Review I noticed several comments along these lines in the post ‘912 Protesters Fueld by Racism, Hatred of Obama‘ [...]
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Ellen, come on, now. You’re not giving me a mid-term, this is just a conversation. If I miss a point that you think is important you don’t get to grade me down. Maybe I did it so I could focus on what *I* thought was important. In the interest of getting along, I will address your two questions.
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As for the supposed 400% increase in death threats, I simply don’t believe it’s true. I thought we’d already discussed that issue, but maybe it was somebody else.
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Why on earth would Jimmy Carter’s thoughts be of any interest? He’s a fool. So, “no,” I don’t think his opinion is of any value at all. None. This statement from him is just typical Carter nonsense. He doesn’t know what “many” Americans think.
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Now you address my point: Yes, there are racists who don’t like Obama because of his race. They are not relevant in terms of the political debate. They appear to be even a substantial minority of the 9/12 protesters, let alone Americans in general. Virtually all the opposition to Obama can be explained based on his policies and tactics, without resorting to calling his opponents racists.
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I’m suggesting you apply these time-tested rules:
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1. Occam’s Razor — the simplest explanation is preferred to a complex one.
2. The Golden Rule — do unto others as you would have others do unto you (i.e., don’t assume bad motives from your opponents just because you don’t like their politics).
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Well Darin,
Thanks for the update on the state of the nation.
I learned alot.
1. Jimmy Carter’s a fool.
2. The 400 % increase in threats to Obama’s life were manufactured by a. the tooth fairy b. munchkins c. the jack-o-lantern in your front yard d. Joe Eagin on Racismreview.com
Plus, Occam’s Razor doesn’t cut the mustard or even a mustache since the world we live in is Really Complex. Maybe the simplest explanation is indeed preferred but then we can’t have everything we prefer can we? The Tooth Fairy told me that. Too bad we can’t just click our ruby slippers together and just say, ” There’s no place like home” and back to Auntie Reagan and Kansas we fly. Gosh, thanks for all the info Darin. I can sleep yet another night knowing you’re on watch.
By the way I heard on National Public Radio today {not that I didn’t already know} that the state of our economy is much worse than the government wants us to believe. Gosh, was I surrrrprised! Whoda thought?
One last time: what exactly is your very clandestine point? With all due respect.
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Hey Ellen, LOL Somebody just told me the Mr. Greenspan stated that we are no longer in a recession. I guees I’ll have let my creditors know, so they will stop calling. :0)
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Hi MOM:
Yeah. Now that everything is A-OK again, I guess I can cut back from working 7 days a week to 5 huh? I’ll be calling my creditors also. LOL !
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I think that it is important to remember that there is a lot of racism going on in these protests even without overt racist imagery or slogans. If you have ever in your life felt real oppression, you are sensitive to it. You know it when you see it. You think deeply about it all of the time. This is not, as some have suggested, a matter of taking things too seriously. It’s called having a worldview built upon the experience and pain of being a second class citizen. If you don’t know the pain, then forget about being a part of the discussion. These are truths that some will get and some, well, just won’t. And for those who get it, I say feel proud of the insight you have. If you don’t get it, maybe one day you can free yourself from mental slavery. The truth is that White America has never ever ever taken any ownership of the history of racism in this country. Black people in this country are trying to join the hundred yard rat race from 500 yards behind the starting line. The principles of social justice are based upon the truths that, sure, America is a place where there is upward mobility, and yes, sometimes hard work can get you somewhere. But these truths do not negate the fact that class, race, gender, disability status, and many other factors play a part in whether one can truly join the mainstream….whether one can really enjoy the privilege of feeling normal in America. The fact that the protesters are all White and that they are using a lot of jargon about “my country” is subtly racist. It is a slap in the face to those who still don’t get to say things like that. And the fact that this segment of the population, the right wing, that has in the past been so hard line about showing respect for the president of the United States is now is now giving Barack Obama the middle finger is a slap in the face. The fact that they are comparing Obama to White, racist dictators like the Czars and to Hitler in some sort of twisted attempt to exonerate themselves of their history of White racism is a slap in the face. The fact that they are spreading lies about Obama being a Muslim because they think they can get away with it because of his skin color is a slap in the face. And the fact that these protesters are completely oblivious to issues of social justice that public policy, funded by tax dollars, is helping to promote, is another slap in the face. And, yes, it is all racist. But, as I said, you either get it or you don’t. I’m not sure if you have all seen this yet or not, but just to lighten up the discussion, here’s a link to enjoy (hope it works)… http://pol.moveon.org/insurance_execs/?rc=fb.6
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Horrible signs at rallies have been happening for years. Sadly, the fringe of both parties give the sane ones in the middle a bad name.
Check out some of the action from W’s days.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
Terrible on both accounts. All human decency was thrown out the door for both W and Obama.
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By DAN ROBRISH, Associated Press Writer Dan Robrish, Associated Press Writer – Wed Sep 23, 12:08 am ET
PHILADELPHIA – A state panel has found probable cause of racial discrimination at a suburban Philadelphia swim club that asked a day camp group of mostly black and Hispanic children not to return, a ruling the club’s lawyer blamed late Tuesday on the “media firestorm” that followed the incident.
The Valley Club in predominantly white Huntingdon Valley, Pa., has denied there was any racial motive behind its actions June 29, when children from Creative Steps Inc. day camp went to the club and their payment for swimming was refunded without explanation. The club has maintained that there were too many children for the number of lifeguards on duty and that many of the children who were at the club couldn’t swim.
Brian Mildenberg, a lawyer for a black girl who was part of the day camp group, said at a news conference Tuesday night that the report from the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission was the result of a thorough fact-finding process.
“They looked at all the e-mails that went back and forth,” Mildenberg said.
The messages quoted in the report include one from club board member George Whitehill to the rest of the board that said in part, “Race is an issue since every email of complaint mentioned race.”
http://cbs3.com/topstories/The.Valley.Club.2.1201711.html
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The girl Mildenberg represents says she heard a member of The Valley Club in Huntingdon Valley ask, “What are all these black kids doing here?” and say, “I am scared they might do something to my child.”
The state report also noted that other large groups that came to the swim club did not generate the same reaction. For example, a plumbing company has held an annual party at the club that draws about 100 to 125 people each year, about five to 10 of them black, the report said. It found that far more children were in the pool for those parties, yet no club members threatened to quit and guests did not report “inappropriate or rude comments” from club members.
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Finally! A President who tells the United Nations to stop stalling and help out! As I mentioned in another post: I’m Tired of the international community expecting America to shoulder the burden of every other nation’s problems. C’mon already..Move!
By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer – 18 mins ago
NEW YORK – Seizing a chance to challenge the world, President Barack Obama says the global community is failing its people and fixing that is not “solely America’s endeavor.”
“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone,” Obama said in a passage of the speech he was delivering Wednesday to the United Nations General Assembly.
The White House released excerpts in advance that carried a remarkably blunt tone.
It comes in Obama’s first speech to this world body, a forum like none other for a leader hoping to wash away any lasting images of U.S. unilateralism under George W. Bush.
In essence, Obama’s message is that he expects plenty in return for reaching out.
“We have sought in word and deed a new era of engagement with the world,” Obama said, echoing the cooperative theme he promised as a candidate and has since used as a pillar of his foreign policy. “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility.”
He said if the world is honest with itself, it has fallen woefully short.
“Extremists sowing terror in pockets of the world,” Obama said. “Protracted conflicts that grind on and on. Genocide and mass atrocities. More and more nations with nuclear weapons. Melting ice caps and ravaged populations. Persistent poverty and pandemic disease.”
The president added, “I say this not to sow fear, but to state a fact: the magnitude of our challenges has yet to be met by the measure of our action.”
Tell it like it is Obama! Why is everything America’s burden? Then we get dumped on as soon as these ‘allies’ get their ‘Care Packages’, ‘Military Support’ whatever it is they’re whining about at the moment.
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@ Darin:
Read Post #68 and go to the site listed. Horrible depictions of Signs With Very Explicit Bloody Death Threats to Bush. Mark makes the Excellent point this was Unacceptable then and Will Always be unacceptable! Thank you Mark for a hard-to-find site. I looked myself for such signs/death threats to Bush to prove a point but couldn’t find one.
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Ellen, that’s MY point. I think you’re talking yourself in circles. Focus like a laser:
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ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they’re racists.
DARIN: No they don’t. People oppose Obama because he’s a Lefty.
ELLEN: Look at all the bad things they’re saying about him — plus, he’s black.
DARIN: They said that and worse about Bush — was that racism, too?
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But I’m glad you agree with me, now.
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Do you think Jimmy Carter is a respectable, level-headed statesman, or something? He’s a joke. He’s never met a dictator who’s side he wouldn’t take — especially against America, and ESPECIALLY if said dictator calls himself a “Marxist.” He was an incompetent, freckless president, and he’s a disgraceful, self-important ex-president. But at least he’s an ex-president. Thank God for small favors.
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As for the 400% increase, I wonder whether even you find that number credible. It’s just implausible on its face. Especially given all the energy around Bush’s first election. It’s a liberal fantasy — that the right’s kooks are kookier and more violent than the left’s. But, hey, let’s have a look at the data, maybe I’m wrong, who knows. I’d bet dollars to donuts the denominator’s screwy, though.
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I get it! Well done!:)
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@ Darin:
Honestly, Darin, I don’t see the point of continuing this discussion if you persistantly invalidate my sources.
1. Jimmy Carter {Who him? He’s freckless plus his daughter had too many freckles!}
2. Death threats toward Obama up 400 % {That’s a lie!}
3. Some opposition to Obama is racially based {ELLEN: People oppose Obama because they’re racists.}. I never used this Absolute.
So, if you insist on claiming my sources have freckles and re-wording my thoughts so you can affectively combat them, I can’t continue this fruitless discussion.
But thanks anyway. I still think the wittiest, most observant thing you ever said, was that we won’t be singing interracially on a hillside soon, teaching the world to sing and buying it a coke! lol
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Okay, fair enough. At this point in his career, I think liver spots are much more likely for Jimmy Carter than freckles. Don’t you?
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My statements about the supposed 400% increase are based on nothing more than a strong intuition that it’s not true. Hopefully I’ve been pretty clear on that point — I have not investigated the claim personally, and I don’t even know where it came from.
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Finally, if I’ve misstated your arguments it wasn’t on purpose. I’ve done my best to address them head-on, since you’ve taken the time to have a rational, reasonable argument. That being said, I’m sure I didn’t capture every nuance. It’s not a format that lends itself to detail very well.
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I’ll tell you what, let’s just let it go while we’re on reasonably good terms. I enjoyed the discussion very much, and it’s clear that your position is more complex and thoughtful than I initially gave you credit for. I hope we bump into each other again.
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@ Darin:
I hope you know by now I’m not one of the ‘haters’ on this blog! You are kinda of a pest though! {Just kidding!}
Truly though, hating accomplishes nothing, and pretty darn much defeats the purpose of this site. The only people I’ve ever gotten really angry with here are people who’ve I’ve detected that hatred in. It’s not healthy! And not democratic..and it certainly doesn’t further the cause of anti-racism or pro-humanity.
Anyway, yeah..I’ll see you in the next poli-sci class!
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