Loading ...Sick Heil: Racial Paranoia, White Victimology and the Hitlerizing of Obama
By[Reposted from Redroom.com]
If you get a chance, today or perhaps tomorrow, do yourself a favor. Look up some file footage, perhaps on YouTube, of Adolf Hitler, addressing his followers. I know, it doesn’t sound like the best way to spend your day, or even a few minutes of it, but trust me, there’s a point to the recommendation. While you watch, notice the unhinged shouting, the wild eyes, the veins on his neck, the psychotic bodily gesticulations. Then, take a look at footage from yesterday’s town hall meeting, called by President Obama in New Hampshire, in which he sought to lay out his case for health care reform to an audience that included supporters and opponents of his plan. Notice: no shouting, no wild eyes, no bulging jugular vein, no apparent sociopathy whatsoever. Indeed notice as the President actually seeks out questions from people who disagree with him, and then thanks them for making good points and raising legitimate concerns, even when the premises of their questions are dead wrong, and largely originated in crazy town.
Then ask yourself, is this the man that much of right-wing talk radio would have us believe is a Nazi? The political reincarnation of Hitler–ya know, the lunatic I asked you to watch first? Really? Really? Wow. Sometimes, it’s hard to know where to begin.
On the one hand, the comparisons seem literally bat-shit insane. Especially when considering that at the same time folks are comparing Obama to the world’s most infamous right-wing fascist, they are at the same time calling him a Marxist, and a left-wing radical. Oh sure, they try and say that Hitler was really a leftist, ya know, because the Nazis were National Socialists. Of course. And hot dogs are made from puppies.
Anyway, it seems at first blush to make no sense. Any reading of the Nazi era makes it all too clear how far afield from the Third Reich the Obama administration is. After coming to power, the Nazis moved to outlaw all opposition parties, suspend the nation’s constitution, round up and detain their political adversaries (or better yet, kill them), and destroy the trade unions. All this, well before initiating the murderous campaigns against Jews, Romany, homosexuals and others deemed “life unworthy of life.” Needless to say, Obama has done none of this, has proposed none of this, and only the most truly unstable person could really believe such things were just around the corner. Although there are such persons to be found in the body politic, such as Ron Paul acolytes, Ayn Rand devotees and real estate agent/dentist/professional far-right activist, Orly Taitz, surely even the most cynical would have to agree that the numbers of persons who seem to buy into this rhetoric far and away exceed the likely national percentages of the truly mentally ill.
And those propagating the comparisons–the Limbaughs and Becks and Savages, and Hannitys (who have the top four radio talk shows in the nation right now)–despite their fervent commitment to right-wing ideas, surely cannot believe that an American Reich is on the horizon. In short, they can’t possibly be serious.
So why then, do they keep saying it? It is this question that I’ve been pondering for the past few days. What could possibly be the purpose of making an argument that has so little intellectual validity; so little indeed that it can be easily shot down by the average 12th grade European history student (who, it should be noted, would have as much education as either Limbaugh or Hannity)? What would be the value, symbolically speaking, of putting forth on protest signs this Obama=Hitler meme, and visually representing that meme, straight down to the little mustache, side-swept hairdo and swastika adornment?
And then it struck me. This analogy, as absurd as it is factually, and as offensive as it is historically, makes almost perfect sense politically, to a movement that is trying desperately to create a groundswell of support behind the notion that white people are the new victims of massive discrimination, the new victims of the Obama era: the ones who don’t get picked first for the Supreme Court, and who can no longer take for granted their hegemonic power. And that is precisely the kind of movement they are trying to build, what with their equally facile rantings that white men, according to Limbaugh, are being sent to the “back of the bus” under Obama, because he literally hates white people, and that white men are now experiencing, to hear Pat Buchanan tell it, “exactly what black folks” experienced during the days of Jim Crow. Within a politics of white resentment and white victimology, the Hitler meme works. After all, Hitler was not just a fascist, but is understood to have been a racial fascist: one whose dictatorial and murderous schemes were directed at a distinctly racialized “other.” So to make the black man atop the U.S. political system into Hitler, is to plant the idea in white minds that he too will be a racial fascist. And if that is the case, the question is quite obviously begged, which race will he be coming for? Ah yes, white man, see? Now are you scared?
By playing upon white fears–fears of a black President with a funny name, fears of a country that within about 30 years will no longer be majority white, fears of the inability to take for granted that our Leave-it-to-Beaver, Norman Rockwell, Boy Scout-approved national narrative will continue to predominate–the right hopes to prove resurgent, and the GOP hopes to remain a living entity. They have all but abandoned any hopes of attracting large numbers of people of color. The writing in that regard is on the wall and they seem to very much know it. So they have retreated into the laager–South African imagery very much intended here–and decided to go all in as the party of nostalgia, a white nationalist party, in effect, whose only hope is to claim that the nation has lost its greatness, and that everything that made America, well, America (ya know, back in the days of segregation) has been lost. And that such a transformation, from a formal white supremacist state, to a multicultural society, is of course a bad thing.
In addition to rallying the troops of white backlash, the Obama/Hitler analogies also serve another function, one that would be immediately recognizable to most any psychologist. That function is called projection: when someone recognizes a trait within themselves, and then, ashamed of that trait seeks it out in others and locates it there, displacing the shame and self-hatred that might otherwise manifest onto someone else.
For these right-wing louts to accuse President Obama of being a racist, let alone a potentially genocidal one at that, is the ultimate in projection. After all, it is the right whose authors regularly publish books with hateful and prejudicial comments about racialized others, not Obama, whose own writing reveals a deep and abiding love for his family–all of it, including the white half.
It is the right that channels Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebells, every time they spew lies about the health care bill’s euthanasia provisions, or about how Obama is going to confiscate all the guns, or casting doubt on Obama’s citizenship, or about how Mexicans are looking to “reconquer” the American southwest, or about how illegal immigrants are a major source of leprosy and disease. All of these things have been debunked, time and again, and yet they are repeated daily, as if facts don’t matter. Because to anti-intellectual brownshirts, they don’t.
It is the right channeling the thuggishness of the Nazi bullies by sending folks to public forums to shout and disrupt, and to intimidate people by carrying weapons.
It is the right that would like to smash the trade unions.
It is the right that stood by while the last president circumvented the Constitution on such matters as wiretaps, torture, the primacy of international treaties to which the U.S. is a party, and the suspension of habeas corpus for suspected “terrorists.”
It is folks like Michael Savage–perhaps the most truly unhinged of the right-wing radio set–who has staked out positions of overt racism and even murderous intent. To wit, his comments of May 11 and 12, 2004, to the effect that Arab Muslims are “non humans,” who should be either forcibly converted to Christianity or slaughtered. Or his statement of April 17, 2006, to the effect that the United States should kill 100 million Muslims. Or his more recent comment to the effect that he hopes “far extreme, violent motorcycle gangs” show up at the health care town hall meetings around the country. Or his statement about liberal advocacy groups, suggesting “they have no place in America,” and that he would like to “round up every member of the ACLU and of the National Lawyers Guild and…put them in a prison in Guantanamo and…throw the key away” Or his pithy paraphrasing of a statement previously made by Nazi leader Hermann Goering, to the effect that when he “hears that someone is in the civil rights business,” he “oils up (his) AR-15,” and presumably not so as to have an intelligent conversation.
And speaking of Nazis, it was Pat Buchanan who said, in a 1977 column that the early Adolf Hitler–the one who suspended civil liberties, murdered his political opponents inside Germany, and set about to invade surrounding countries so as to broaden the boundaries of the Reich–was for all intent and purposes, a model leader. Prior to initiating the Holocaust of European Jewry, Hitler seems to have done little with which Buchanan could find fault, thus his claim: “If Hitler had died in 1937 on the fourth anniversary of his coming to power, he would undoubtedly have gone down as one of the greatest figures of German history.” Hitler was, to hear Pat tell it, “an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank” whose “genius” was in having such an “intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.”
Yet Pat Buchanan, who also called for the U.S. to annex parts of Canada back in a 1989 column, so as to expand the size of our nation’s “white tribe”–an idea that Herr Hitler would have no doubt found exhilarating–remains a commentator in good standing on major networks. And so the right, which regularly espouses ideas resonant of the very fascism they would ascribe to Obama, gets a free pass, as they project their own darkest authoritarian desires onto others, with whom they cannot intellectually compete. And so they must bully. They must shout. They must drown out reason with volume.
And beneath it all, they hope that just enough people will listen. Just enough to build a movement rooted in white anger, white fear, white victimology, and the reassertion of white nationhood that they feel has been taken from them.
The question is–and it may be the only one that matters right now–what are we going to do about it, and by “we” I mean especially those of us called white? Are we going to let the hateful throngs define us, for us? Are we going to sit back while they seek to organize a politics of racial backlash in our name? Are we going to merely laugh at them and then move on, figuring that the threat they pose is minimal? Or will we stand up, demand that there are other ways to live in this skin, and choose to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our black and brown brothers and sisters who are, as they have long been, under such attack in this nation? Will we choose the road of antagonism or allyship?
Make no mistake, the future of the country may very well depend on how we answer.
Mom Said:
“Whew!! I agree Ellen, that although we may be white the choises we make in this life are not “eurocentrisim”, but rather, personal choise that we as Human beings” have a RIGHT to make without the pressures of anybodys influence, but our own personal choise or perferences.. This is why the “Good lord” gave most everyone a brain, so that we could make personal choises.. ”
Thanks MOM for backing me on this one. To attribute every decision I make and every word I utter to this Eurocentrism meme is just ludicrous. Of course, some decisions I make are based on “conditioning” due to the culture [some of said conditioning being sub-conscious] but Not Every Thing I do is a “White Frame Eurocentric Devil” meme! Jeez..common sense people. Even Joe and Jessie don’t go that far. Only one I’ve seen here that is a Freakin’ Fanatic is JWBE.
JWBE said: “As long as you won’t stop feeling like the poor victim.”
Don’t start the whites as victims crap either. I never said I was a victim. Black People are the Victims. I just don’t appreciate harrassment from a Fanatic!
I just noticed MOM went after AgMarine! Way to Go Mom! You’ve got more Stones than JWBE has, that’s for sure! She’s still dancing around with her ‘abolishing whiteness is the goal of anti-racism’ insanity. Gosh JW: must be nice to be totally oblivious to reality…kinda like the guy in the movie Rain Man! Ignorance is Bliss
Ellen, I do what I want to do, not what your sick ego believes I have to do.
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I have my own thoughts about this blog and how the comment section is handled, dissapointing…
Therefore, Ellen, it is your place now, you will be free to post your shit, together with other idiots and racists who could make this blog somehow there place.
I am looking for exchange about anti-racism, this is not possible here.
Those who are serious about anti-racism, thanks for your thoughts and inputs and perhaps one day I will come back to this blog.
But at the moment it’s a waste of time.
I personally think jwbe should get a scholarship that gives her a free ride to any university in the world to complete her education beyond where it has been completed thus far, and one that will allow her to complete it as far as she wishes–if she were to ever have such desire and if such opportunity were to ever knock for her.
She’s made outstanding contributions to this site in many ways and brings in a critical and valuable outside perspective. She’s got incredible potential that should not go to waste. Why you continue to distort and discredit her is beyond me. Unless you are a cloaked Neo-Nazi supporter or sympathizer–as if you do not want such racist supporters to get the truth about our nation and its history, and current Germany vs. Nazi Germany. I’m personally tired of Liberals in particular using the Holocaust as a scape-goat to “prove” they aren’t racist and use it as a type of threshold to determine what “really constitutes racism” and to somehow illustrate how “progressive” this nation/peoples/white Americans are. It’s a part of history that is abused by both conservatives and liberals, though in different ways. Anybody who does such does not truly care about the level of damage that has been done during those decades and the scars left behind. Anybody who does honestly care, they would not be attacking a person who speaks out against both racism and antisemitism, or any type of anti-anything. And they would not demand denial on our own history and current very painful realities communities of color are forced to live on a daily basis–painful realities that are invisible to white people because of both Neo-Jim Crow segregation, many different types of racism, and because white people simply don’t have to care. Colorblind racism says we are all the same.
jwbe has never proclaimed to be “the Gatekeeper” and certainly has never been aggressive–those are your delusions.
But let’s bring it back to you Ellen, you want to be put up on a pedestal. Let’s put you up on one now. After all, you’ve got the Ivy League education. Out of nowhere you tell jwbe to go attack the Marine–you shouldn’t tell people to do things you wouldn’t or couldn’t do yourself. You’re the antiracist expert here–show her/all of us how it’s done. Enlighten us all, please.
@ JWBE: “Whiteness is a pathology. The goal of anti-racism would be to end whiteness.”
Okay, for argument’s sake, let’s just play along.
1. Whiteness is Pretty Disgusting. Europeans have a long history of being deceitful and abominably cruel. All people of European decent have an inherent [although not even conscious sometimes] affinity for Sadism. This is true. Please look up, “The European Sadist and Its Implications in an Otherwise Sweet Peaceful World”. I also recommend, “Satan Talks to Europeans in Their Sleep”.
2. White People Eat Their Young. This is true also. They are cannibals and it is well known that in Suburbia America, many white people have secretly chopped up their children and sauteed them in olive oil. In fact, white people pass around a Secret Recipe Book that contains all kinds of ways to serve white babies for formal dinner parties or the casual outdoor barbecue!
3. White People are Cruel to All Animals. Sometimes they pretend [cause whites are so deceitful] to actually like animals and even overtly join Be Kind to Animal organizations..But this is A Front! They actually will take a typical cocker spaniel puppy and burn it with hot pokers until it dies of third degree burns. They will take a kitten and starve it until the kitten will eat its own Ears out of hunger! White people like to watch this stuff and laugh!
4.White People Hate Education. They scoff at “book lernin” and kick and throw garbage at their children if caught reading a book. They have ritual “book burnins” to “demon”-strate their scorn for anything educational.
5. Whites Don’t Use Toilets. I don’t even want to explain this one cause it’s not fit for public viewing.
THIS SHOULD MAKE JWBE VERY HAPPY!
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@Jwbe- I’ve tried to understand and have learned some very important information from your posts. I tried my best not to question you because after reading some of your posts, I knew, that you are well informed and I could never catch up to you, unless, learned by you.. However, it has only been this blog that I’ve actually looked at what you were saying because of the fact that some posts have been very disturbing as far as insensitivity for the feelings of another person…Anway, you just keep on writing your messages there is no need to leave. A thousand appologies for my ignorance regarding anit-racism, but I will never appologise for being a human being.. Thanks, Mom:)
Well, you’re leaving JWBE? You’ve said that before. You’re just having a bad day I guess. Plus you said to me once:
” Ellen, if you are serious nobody will be able to stop you. If somebody, is able to stop you, you have never been serious.”
Please don’t leave on my account. You could tone down your style a little though. If “toning down your style” is not possible, maybe you weren’t Serious in the first place.
Get some rest, take a white European looking doll and poke two pins into it, and call me in the morning! I honestly don’t want to be the cause of you leaving. If you would show some tolerance for the different backgrounds and experiences of other people and Stop Being So Fanatical..you’d relax more..and thus not feel the need to leave. Everything shouldn’t Be: All or Nothing JWBE.
Seattle Said: “But let’s bring it back to you Ellen, you want to be put up on a pedestal.”
Wrong, wrong and more wrong! I did not come to this site looking to be put on any pedestal. My point was Always that if one is joining this site with benevolent intentions, and truly believes in Anti-Racism, it’s difficult to be chided and harrassed by individuals like JWBE. You say she’s not trying to be a Gatekeeper. I say she is. That’s where the argument started and I presume will end.
Instructing is Not Castigating. I totally believe blacks have been treated abominably in America. I totally believe in Affirmative Action. I am in the process of examining my own sub-conscious racist tendencies now. And if any White says, “Oh no..I don’t even have sub-conscious Racist tendencies”..they’re lying.
I know JWBE is your friend. But don’t put stuff on me that I never said.
What’s colorblind racism? Unfortunitley, we have to identify the problem, then find a solution. right? So, if everybody has identified the problem then what is the solution? I am a solutions person.. Meaning once I have identified a problem I try my best to live in the solution verses living in the problem..So, Texas please inform me about the solution of the problem concerning racism..Thanks, Mom:)
I don’t know jwbe personally–she’s just been on here for over a year now–closer to two years I think. She’s been valuable to this website.
The way I’m understanding you is that you are a cloaked Neo-Nazi, otherwise you wouldn’t be attacking her as you are–plain and simple. She’s obviously a serious threat to you for what ever reason. My guess is that she’s doing a most excellent job of articulating the white racial frame and how that reinforces white supremacy. For what ever reason you take that as a threat–which you shouldn’t if you were here to learn. If you were here to learn, you would be engaging in a conversation with her as she has been with you, not attacking her. You would “listen”. You’re the only person whose had a problem with her in the entire time she’s been on here. Isn’t that funny?
She has been doing an outstanding job of demonstrating how an antiracist should deal with racists in this thread–as well as all threads she’s ever participated in. I extend my personal applause, and applause on behalf of all people who come on this site, to jwbe here.
Again, if you would, please go address AgMarine and provide a demonstration for us on what a real antiracist looks like in your mind. For whatever reason you can’t seem to do that–you attack one of the best antiracist bloggers on here. Why?
Ellen, if JWBE is not living in the US then maybe she is able to view discrimination a little differently then we are. I was told by many people to stay away from the US news because if I really wanted to know what’s going on in this country, I would have to outside of the country to find-out. Thanks, Mom
@ Ellen, you know Ellen, I can see why people leave this site. I’ve been reading some of the other posts and believe me, they are extremely racist. I am not talking about the white people, I’m taking about the “anti-racist”..There was a person on here a while ago with extreme examples of WHY’S. Very nice person with a sincere desire to learn, but was brutally attacked to the point he left never to return..I truley believe, now, that there is something sinister about this site. And, I’ve had this feeling for some time now.. As Tim said “it’s only business” I wonder, if there is people making money from this movement. Nobody, I see here really give “two hoots” about what’s going on between the races. I am beginning to suspect that people come here to complain about it, but do nothing but bitch..And, looking at the census they won’t have to bitch two much longer… I just feel bad for the future generations that are born into different classes,which I feel is insane to place the burdens on them for what there fore families did!!! ..As mentioned before, we are born into the world by chance and not choise. So, I was told that I should leave this site because it is affecting me in a negative way.. I’ve been talking to a lot of northreners about this site ,and they feel that it’s an extremist group of people trying to make some money off the pain of other people’s problems, and really don’t have a solution, but just trying to get the last HEE HAW before there are no white people left to bitch about. I wonder what’s going to happen then? Maybe they will end up like every other great civilization and self destruct, and in a thousand years from now, people will be saying what a great nation this must of been. Hopefully, they will not repeat the same mistakes. By the way, I was wondering have you ever read the book 5000 Years Leap by C. Cleon Skousen? Good Bye Ellen and God’s Speed.
@ Seattle:
I personally don’t think JWBE is about anti-racism as much as she is about anti-white-ism.
However, according to you she is “part and parcel” of this website. And I indeed am the new person. I would/could be happy to just discuss with other people. I will not address her anymore.
Moreover, you are a black person, Seattle. I am white. This site is/should be more about What Blacks Prefer rather than about What Whites Prefer.
If you, as a Black, want me to leave for good. I will. You are the Oppressed Race, not me. If you think I’m doing more harm here than good, just say the word and I’ll leave. No problem.
@ Mom:
I guess I debated with someone who is considered sacred around here. That is “just not done” apparently on this website. And, in all fairness, Seattle is Black and he should call the ultimate shots.
I think it’s true it’s hard to see America, by the way, while Inside It. Plus, we are the only country in “relatively recent” history which has practiced slavery. Slavery’s been around for thousands of years, but America held on to “the peculiar institution..as the abolitionists called it” longer than other countries.
Anyway, I hope you learn alot here. Bye.
@ MOM: I just read your post. Well, you already know my feelings. And this blog could definitely make you get depressed. The veterans Just Don’t Tolerate New People well. They’re happy just chatting with each other. And maybe that’s as it should be.
But Whoa to the white who actually thinks “All People Welcome” “We Need Whites to Speak Against Racism Now.” No, actually ya don’t. I think you’re perfectly happy just as things already are in the clubhouse. A “No Tresspassing” sign would help though.
Anyway, God Speed to You too MOM! I wish you the best. You sure are a great lady
Ok, this is the last time I’m posting on this silly-ass thread. But this needs to be said, because ever time another personal attack gets posted by someone against someone else, it fills up my damned e-mail, and it’s getting old.
First off, when I said “it’s only business” I did not mean in the money making sense. I mean that people shouldn’t take every criticism personally…this issue is systemic.
Secondly, to suggest that people on here don’t advocate solutions is untrue. There are many posts that address that kind of thing…but while y’all sit around engaged in a (mostly if not exclusively) white people pissing contest (in which no one wants to just let anyone have the last word and move the fu&% on), you aren’t examining those posts. There have been several posts made since this one for example, which are going ignored while y’all keep trying to see who’s the bigger antiracist over on this thread. And not one of the damned comments in the past week has had a Goddamned thing to do with the essay under which they have been posted. Not one. By anyone. That’s the problem. It’s not the people who created this site and actually contribute content to it. They aren’t doing a damned thing wrong. People who can’t see the value in the content being posted will never be satisfied with anything I suppose.
If you have “solutions” which you think the rest of us haven’t thought of, then share them. Why the hell does everyone always criticize others for “only talking about the problem and not offering solutions,” as if their own brains don’t work and they can’t think of any themselves. That’s just an excuse not to engage sometimes. You all are just as likely to have the answers of any of us. So offer them. Or else stop criticizing others for not doing so.
Most importantly, if someone says something that pisses you off, and you think it’s personal, let it go. Goddamn that is a white thing: gotta have the last word. (And by the way, I’ll gladly ignore anything anyone wants to say against me for this post). Gotta say some shit about so-and-so cuz she’s from Germany, so let’s say some shit about the crimes of the Nazis (that’ll show her), or so-and-so isn’t formally educated, so let’s make that the issue (some classist, elitist bullshit in its own right), or so-and-so isn’t sufficiently self-critical, or so-and-s0 wants to be on a pedestal, or whatever…
Jesus, enough. Can we actually get back to discussing the subject matter at hand? I’m really concerned about this, and the utter lack of productivity in this thread the past week or so.
Tim
ellen, I’m not Black.
You want me to share what I think about solutions? Beware! I will be back! MOM
Tim, my thoughts
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I think it is necessary to explain to the public what the health care reform and public option is about, something in this style
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/26/772918/-*Awesome*-Cartoon-Explains-Public-Plan
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I also would use the majority’s ‘white racial frame’ (using a white middle class family) to show this to them (adds on TV or mainstream media, radio etc):
http://lujan.house.gov/index.php/media-center/in-the-news/326?task=view
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trying to get the support of the about 47 millions without health care and how they could benefit from the reform
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The Obama team also created a website to dispute the current myths about health care.
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On the long run: Trying to enact laws that limit free speech, inciting racial violence is mainstream in the US and this ‘legalizes’ militias.
Teaching democratic understanding, the absence of whites in many rallies indicates, that whites lack a sense of democratic understanding, as long as they believe it ‘only’ affects Black people and that their ‘white rights’ are safe, most can’t connect with the emergency to protect the US as a more or less democratic country.
And what you call silly-ass thread, it’s an almost endemic problem in white America which must be addressed, ‘well intentioned whites’ because this also explains their absence, silence or ‘dropping out’ or supporting eg a war based on their illusions. The mostly white American reaction to 9/11 indicates that: “Why do they hate us”, “they are jealous of our freedoms” and nonsense like this tells you how simple-minded the average white American is constructed, how easy to manipulate and how easy they use violence without any thinking further. The white militias in America are ‘only’ the mirror of white mainstream, the ‘foot-soldiers’ who start what is already there in ‘main-stream America’.
@Seattle, thanks for your kind words. Nonetheless I will leave, I need a break from ‘white America’. See you
@Everybody But Mom and Siss:
I’m not coming back cause I need a break from being told what pieces of shit All Whites are. I agree with Mom, this is the Most Racist [anti-White] place in the world.
@ JWBE Let me tell you something jwbe these simple minded AMERICANS that you claim are jealous are just that AMERICANS. Now, with that being said WE as AMERICANS don’t take to kindly for outsiders talking shit about AMERICANS, in general. White, black purple, or red. When we fight in combat we stand together and don’t give two shits about the color of skin or culture differences when we are watching our AMERICAN BACKS. We also happen to the the “bread basket of the world” Pretty dam good, if I say so myself, being that we are really, ” new” country…And, very interesting that you should be the one to bring up brainwashing? Humm I wonder were you came up with that idea! Now this AMERICAN is off fighting a crisis situation for another AMERICAN, BUT JUST REMEMBER I’LL BE BACK!! MOM:)
@ JWBE:
Hope you enjoy Octoberfest in the Fatherland. Drink some beer for me! And while you’re at it..give a few dozen lectures to the White Nordic Germans about what pieces of shit All Whites are. I’m sure they’ll just love you for that!
When we fight in combat we stand together and don’t give two shits about the color of skin…
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n22_v83/ai_13558270/
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7873
[NQUEST: You’re (ellen) the only person whose had a problem with her (JWBE) in the entire time she’s been on here. Isn’t that funny?"]
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That is false. I have in the past and still do take issue with her execution and sometimes far-fetched points.
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This thread has resorted to a Bill Cosby showdown. Does anyone not see this? Blacks use JWBE like whites use Bill Cosby. We hide behind their perspective because of the uniqueness of their stance. Hence, Cosby being black and denying black racism – JWBE being white and unveiling white racist behavior.
Ellen: I understand it’s difficult but your contributions are valuable, otherwise, they would have been moderated out. Jessie and Joe allow these interactions because they serve as learning examples. They obviously filter out the trolls but that’s to be expected. Instead of taking an active approach, as I did previous, I now sit back and comment on what I find important. If that means “Im not serious”, etc., etc… so be it. Just as the vets could care less about my experiences/thoughts/stances when it’s not aligned with theirs, I too could care less about their remarks.
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On the topic of JWBE: You know that she was out of line, right? You also know, as do I, that She, Nquest et al doesn’t see it that way. Soooo… let’s let them wallow in their ignorance. Just like you can’t have a conversation with an intoxicated person, you can’t have a conversation with an irrational person. In order to get back to the topic… lets do some discussing!!
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@ellen: The self projection that the article mentions is accurate in many accounts regarding Obama in general, not just with the issue of Healthcare reform. Do find this to be prevalent? Why or why not?
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One other note, I think it’s a fear among whites that white culture (aka perceived American) may be lost or diluted. The article mentioned [“fears of the inability to take for granted that our Leave-it-to-Beaver, Norman Rockwell, Boy Scout-approved national narrative will continue to predominate”]. This couldn’t be more accurate. While we would love to tout that America is the melting pot (which is disgustingly cliché and inaccurate), up until recently our country has been whitewashed. Many extremists and some covert anti-poc, wish to see the US remain preserved in its whiteness because that’s how is has always been. They fail to see the benefits or the impact that true equality could bestow. As someone who is white I feel awkward about this point. I look forward to a post-racial society but don’t want to be made to feel ashamed of my whiteness just for the sake of being white. While my recent descendants aren’t American, I’m fully assimilated and find myself in need of more self-examination on this issue! Your thoughts would be appreciated
jwbe, thanks for the post. I remember hearing the president talk about people being jealous of our freedoms and thinking to myself “what the hell is he talking about?” Then I realized that a lot of people were loving what he said. After years of confusion over what is going on in this country, I have begun to locate the nonsense in White America. Not that all White Americans are oblivious to issues of race and power, but many are. I don’t see this as a genetic flaw. I think that it may be a side effect of having power – the privilege of the unexamined life.
@ Siss:
Thanks for the vote of confidence! I sure needed it after the bashing I received here.
I do believe Americans are frightened by having to bid adieu to the white-washed America, which we can neatly put in a box with a big white bow. In fact, this “putting America in a box” has been exactly the problem minorities have faced for decades.
America doesn’t know how to define itself. For centuries, the “official motto” was the statue of liberty thing: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” (Emma Lazarus on the Statue of Liberty, 1883).
Yeah..but..if we look at our media [from textbooks to television to computers] for centuries, the picture is of What America Wants To Look Like From a White Perspective. And the fact is, America does Not Want to Accept Huddled Masses!
Every ethnic group that came here were treated with scorn and contempt..Not Welcomed! I am of Polish and Hungarian descent. No, my relatives were not exactly given the big handshake welcome. So, there is this dichotomy that works in America. There’s the Official Statement/ There’s The Reality.
As ethnic groups blended into the melting pot, they became more accepted into the Firsts Ones Here Pecking Order. The more they hung onto their ethnicity, the harder it was for them to be President of the PTA. Minorities were not Celebrated..you kiddin’ me?
During the Civil Rights Movement, I believe it opened the door for many minorities to finally say,”Hey what gives? You want diversity or not?” It’s been, obviously, especially hard for black people..almost impossible.
I remember looking at an old movie on You-Tube {cause I teach} filmed in the 1950’s. It was entitled “The Old South”. It showed a white family {mom,dad, kids..real Ozzie and Harriet} checking out the old plantations in Louisiana. It was all about tourism Fun. “And here’s where the slaves lived. They toiled night and day at the master’s bidding. And here’s where the horses were kept. Each plantation was like a little village with each person specializing in one trade for the benefit of all.”
I mean, it was like showing someone a tour of a concentration camp, with the sound of the ice cream truck melody in the background. “Deedly-de-e-e-e” and this was the place where slaves were sold at auction..deedly..deedle..dum”.
So yes, white America does need to ruminate on what’s Going To Happen in the future whether they like it or not. I also think, as the trend has been going since the Civil Rights era, that white America needs to appreciate the tremendous contributions other ethnic groups/races have contributed and will contribute to this country. There’s simply no going back.
Obama does indeed symbolize the New Era where other-than-white ethnic groups will DOMINATE.
All that being said, the problem I had with JWBE is this exclusion of individual thought processes/observations/preferences/emotions ENTIRELY. Not everything I do is related to being white. Just like not everything a black man does is not Just Related to Being Black. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you told a black friend, “You just said that cause you’re Black. You just think that cause you’re Black. You just did that cause you’re Black”..they’d get pretty damn frustrated with you in a New York Minute. Cause it just ‘Don’t Make Sense’!
This was the mantra I heard from JWBE. I think blacks/whites Need to find common ground…not pick one side of the fence ad nauseum and then Shout About Each Others’ Differences. Also, you won’t get an entire race of people, namely whites, to totally turn themselves inside out. JWBE will be disappointed in the end. The best you can hope for?
Some kind of Common Ground between blacks and whites. A tolerance for differences as long as those differences don’t hurt the other race.
Siss, your slip is (apparently) showing…
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Translation #1: I believe my (Nquest’s) only post on this thread came directly before yours at #175. Yet, for some reason, you mentioned my (Nquest’s) name in your post and even attributed a quote that I couldn’t have possible authored.
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Translation #2: I (Nquest) am not Seattle-In-Texas. Seattle-In-Texas is not me (Nquest).
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<<| “Blacks use JWBE like whites use Bill Cosby.”
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Slip showing, indeed. Stop lying and learn how to read:
Post #167: Seattle-In-Texas said, “ellen, I’m not Black..”
Seattle-In-Texas, again, was the person you quoted regarding Ellen being the “only” person who has had a problem with JWBE.
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Hmmm… And regarding your bogus “reverse Cosby” theory… DOA
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Nowhere on this whole entire blog have I (Nquest) or any other Black/African-American poster that I’m aware ever pulled the “reverse Cosby.” Never have I or No1KState (I’m not aware of any other somewhat regular Black poster… though folks like Ellen, Mom, etc. ASSume other posters are Black when they are not)… never have we engaged someone White in one of these race/racism discussions and curiously cited Joe, Jessie, Tim Wise, etc. as [White] people who agree with us with the explicit/implicit suggestion that’s made when Whites mention Bill Cosby, stupid-azz Black CONservatives like Shelby Steele, Tom Sowell, John McWhorter, etc., etc.
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Never have we (me or No1KState) cited Joe, Jessie, JWBE, Tim Wise… whoever as the reasons why we’re right. In fact, I don’t believe I ever seen a Black person do that. Oh but I have seen you try this same lame old, lazy old switch-a-roo, turn-a-round tactic (pre-school tactic) before… PROJECTING — i.e. accusing others (in this case Blacks as a group) of doing things you (or, in this case, [White] people) do.
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If anything, in this situation, with Seattle-In-Texas being white (I could be wrong but I believe I’ve seen him disclose his race before)… this is a case of:
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A White person Ellen assumed to be Black (stereotype much?) using another white person, JWBE who Ellen questioned if she thought she was “Black” because JWBE didn’t subscribe to the same conventional (read: hardly examined; said so many times it’s cliche) view that “No White Can Fully Understand What It Feels Like To Be Black.” Exactly why that’s relevant, I don’t know. The same way I have no idea why you, Siss, keep mentioning my name when you claim you don’t want to engage me or don’t care about my remarks.
@Ellen—–Still learning, but I am beginning to think this runs deeper then anit-racist.
I’ll make up my own mind after careful thought and consideration about what I have learned. MOM:)
Ellen-I don’t think it’s and anit-white..This is what I’ve learn. I believe what they are saying is that “white”, in general, feel they should be treated special because of their whiteness…. Now, with that begin said, there is some truth to that…I know of white Men in this country that are the most arrogant SOB’s, and not only think they should be treated and respected better as they float above the rest of us on a “pillow called arrogance” I know some women who are the same way. Now, a lot of theses people hold “high positions” and a lot of them came from privileged lives.. White people make up 68 percent of the people in this country. However, out of that 68 percent I would say maybe only about 20 percent fit into that category..Let’s put it another way. There are a lot of white people that inter married, and are just everyday normal people that don’t really have the time as least in the North to sit around and wonder about if they are racist. I don’t think they care as long as they are able to put food on the table for their own family first. And, that would hold true for most black Americans, I would hope.. Now, I will tell you something else how people in the home talk to their children about different ethnics groups has a lot to do with how they look at different cultures. There is nothing wrong with being a different culture we have many gifts to bring to the table and could learn a lot from each other.
What I get upset about on the blot is putting “ALL” white people in this country into that category..This is certainly NOT TRUE. And, as mentioned with some of other blogs that have not been posted the key word is American..We as an American culture are in general a NEW country in commparison to the rest of the world. However, even with all of our indefferences we are not only the “super power” of the world, but also the “bread basket to the world” , which as stated befor in pretty impressvis if I say so myself.
Solutions: Education, Education, Education. Rather they accussing “whites” of the greatness because I am sure people would disagree this new was of looking at racism would be easier to digest through EDUCATION! People in general really don’t be told what to do perieod. However, people in general, will listsen and make like to make up their own minds. If they stay around here long enough without the extreme attacks about the color of their skin, which is complete insane they would come the understand what was being discussed and maybe start looking at themselves and their own prejudices.. I know a lot of people who need to do just that and believe me should look at how they treat others of all race not just black, blue or purple…LOL
Now, with this all being said one solution is through education..The other solution may be through some lectures in the northern states. I’ve never heard of this until I came here, so maybe I’m missing something.. You can’t expect people to know something about themselves unless another person “plants that seed”. The worst thing you can do is shove it down their throats through nasty attacks, their minds will close etc.. These are two solutions I have some other thoughts..Thanks, Mom:)
Again I come back to you Ellen with some thoughts.
I’ve had the opportunity to travel to different parts of the country and was talking to different “white” people about this site. Now, these people are everyday working class and struggle on a daily basis to put food on their tables for their families.. One, of these people told me that if not for the “slavery” some of the blacks in this country would not be alive today.. She studies what goes on in Africa.. Also, as I said before, God does work in mysterious ways. Now, with that being said, I had to think about what she said, and I had to agreed. The problem is how they teach in general public schools.. I wonder how could any black person feel good about themselves knowing that there ancestors were brought over under those conditions. This thought holds true of the Indians. I feel the one way is talk about Africa and how many of those people are being killed on a daily basis and I don’t want to say too much more it’s very disturbing…I am not saying “sugar coat” slavery tell people the truth, but also tell those people the truth about what’s going on over in the Mother Land.. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to talk about ‘God’ anymore in our public school systems, but we can create liberal group to talk about different sex choices..YIKES!!! Anyway, there has to be a way to teach the cold hard truths and educate if this did not happen what fate some of these people may have experienced. AMEN! I also know that slavery is being practiced today over in Africa.. Now, the Arabian are hold the slave trade. Thanks, MOM
Siss, I (Nquest) did not write the post you quoted with my name attached to it — i.e. I didn’t make the post that said Ellen was “the only person whose had a problem” with JWBE.
@ MOM:
I agree that, of course, part of what this blog is about is the Truism that white people [some times subconsciously] feel privileged above other races in this country. My only objection is this type of thing:
Seattle in Texas Says:
August 20th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Is that Heckel and Jeckel I hear above? Mom and Ellen, so glad to see you two found shoulders to cry on and blow your noses into! Be well.
jwbe Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 10:12 am
@ellen, ” this site isn’t about you and your and Mom’s personal stories.
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As I said already, you are quite revealing. And just in case you didn’t get it so far: This site is about racism, and not ‘white people’s pain’ ”
This is the type of stuff that will decidedly make people run away. Nobody’s going to sit and “learn” from sources that dish out these type of insults. I mean, who died and made veterans on this site God?
Yes, education is the key. Just like black children will Not Learn if a White Teacher talks down to them..I guess us dumb-azz whites won’t learn either if we’re insulted and jeered at. Blacks have been saying for decades that black children do not compare academically with white children’s grade point averages Because of 1.racist teachers who subtly look down their noses at Ebonics 2. racist tests that subtly look down their noses at the black experience and expect black kids to know what White suburban living is like if they’ve never been there.
By that same logic, how can us dummy whites learn anything if we’re being blonked on the old head every time we open our mouths with, “Shut up you dumb white sh%#! Just saying you’re anti-racist and posting here and listening isn’t enough you moronic SOB. You must learn..and parrot everything Gertrude from Munich tells you!” This is nonsense.
Education coupled with reason and tolerance of differences..that’s how black kids learn and that’s how white ‘grown-ups’ learn too.
@ MOM:
I also read from several different sources that slavery is being practiced today in Africa. Check it out:
IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen in Chad. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsman “…change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Islam as their religion.”[2]
[edit] Mali
The Malian government denies that slavery exists. Slavery still continues with some Tuaregs holding Bella people.[3]
[edit] Mauritania
Main article: Slavery in Mauritania
A system exists now by which Arab Muslims — the bidanes — own black slaves, the haratines.[4] An estimated 90,000 black Mauritanians remain essentially enslaved to Arab/Berber owners.[5] The ruling bidanes (the name means literally white-skinned people) are descendants of the Sanhaja Berbers and Beni Hassan Arab tribes who emigrated to northwest Africa and present-day Western Sahara and Mauritania during the Middle Ages.[6] According to some estimates, up to 600,000 black Mauritanians, or 20% of the population, are still enslaved, many of them used as bonded labour.[7] Slavery in Mauritania was finally criminalized in August 2007.[8] Malouma Messoud, a former Muslim slave has explained her enslavement to a religious leader:
“We didn’t learn this history in school; we simply grew up within this social hierarchy and lived it. Slaves believe that if they do not obey their masters, they will not go to paradise. They are raised in a social and religious system that everyday reinforces this idea.[9]”
Niger
In Niger, where the practice of slavery was outlawed in 2003, a study found that almost 8% of the population are still slaves.[13] Slavery dates back for centuries in Niger and was finally criminalised in 2003, after five years of lobbying by Anti-Slavery International and Nigerien human-rights group, Timidria.[14] More than 870,000 people still live in conditions of forced labour, according to Timidria, a local human rights group.[15][16]
Descent-based slavery, where generations of the same family are born into bondage, is traditionally practised by at least four of Niger’s eight ethnic groups. The slave masters are mostly from the nomadic tribes — the Tuareg, Fulani, Toubou and Arabs.[17] It is especially rife among the warlike Tuareg, in the wild deserts of north and west Niger, who roam near the borders with Mali and Algeria.[18] In the region of Say on the right bank of the river Niger, it is estimated that three-quarters of the population around 1904-1905 was composed of slaves.[19]
Historically, the Tuareg swelled the ranks of their slaves during war raids into other peoples’ lands. War was then the main source of supply of slaves, although many were bought at slave markets, run mostly by indigenous peoples.[20][21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
@ MOM:
India has also come under scrutiny by the United Nations regarding modern day slavery
.http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/India.htm
EVERY HOUR, FOUR WOMEN AND GIRLS IN INDIA ENTER PROSTITUTION, THREE OF THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL – 13-year-old Mira of Nepal was offered a job as a domestic worker in Mumbai, India. Instead she arrived at a brothel on Mumbai’s Falkland Road, where tens of thousands of young women are displayed in row after row of zoo-like animal cages. Her father had been duped into giving her to a trafficker. When she refused to have sex, she was dragged into a torture chamber in a dark alley used for ‘breaking-in’ new girls. She was locked in a narrow, windowless room without food or water. On the fourth day, one of the madam’s goondas (thug) wrestled her to the floor and banged her head against the concrete until she passed out. When she awoke, she was naked; a “rattan” cane smeared with pureed red chilli peppers shoved into her vagina. Later she was raped by the goonda. Afterwards, she complied with their demands. The madam told Mira that she had been sold to the brothel for 50,000 rupees (about US$ 1,700), that she had to work until she paid off her debt. Mira was sold to a client who became her pimp.’
[ Robert I. Freidman, "India's Shame" Sexual Slavery and Political Corruption Are Leading to AN AIDS Catastrophe," - The Nation, 8 April 1996 ]
@ MOM: UN tries to crack down on world-wide human trafficking in 155 countries!
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) — Sexual exploitation and forced labor are the most common forms of human trafficking in the world, a new report from the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime said.
Aid agencies say young women are being forced into prostitution across Russia’s capital.
The “Global Report on Trafficking in Persons” is based on data from 155 countries and offers a global assessment of human trafficking and efforts to fight it.
The most common form of human trafficking is sexual exploitation, at 79 percent, the report said. The victims of sexual exploitation are predominantly women and girls.
In about one-third of the countries that provided information on the gender of the traffickers, women made up the largest proportion of traffickers. In Central Asia and Eastern Europe, women make up more than 60 percent of those convicted of trafficking.
“In these regions, women trafficking women is the norm,” said Antonio Maria Costa, the head of U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. “It is shocking that former victims become traffickers. We need to understand the psychological, financial and coercive reasons why women recruit other women into slavery.”
The second most common form of human trafficking is forced labor, or slavery, making up 18 percent of the total, although the writers of the report say it may be underreported.
“How many hundreds of thousands of victims are slaving away in sweat shops, fields, mines, factories, or trapped in domestic servitude?” Costa said. “Their numbers will surely swell as the economic crisis deepens the pool of potential victims and increases demand for cheap goods and services.”
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Regardless of the type of human trafficking, nearly one in five of its victims were children, according to the report.
“Children’s nimble fingers are exploited to untangle fishing nets, sew luxury goods or pick cocoa,” the report said. “Their innocence is abused for begging, or exploited for sex as prostitutes, pedophilia or child pornography. Others are sold as child brides or camel jockeys.”
@ MOM:
Slavery in Thailand:
Thailand is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of forced labor and commercial sexual exploitation. Thailand’s relative prosperity attracts migrants from neighboring countries and from as far away as Russia and Fiji who flee conditions of poverty and, in the case of Burma, military repression. Significant illegal migration to Thailand presents traffickers with opportunities to force, coerce, or defraud undocumented migrants into involuntary servitude or sexual exploitation. Following migration to Thailand, men, women, and children, primarily from Burma, are trafficked for forced labor in fishing-related industries, factories, agriculture, construction, domestic work, and begging. Women and children are trafficked from Burma, Cambodia, Laos, the People’s Republic of China, Vietnam, Russia, and Uzbekistan for commercial sexual exploitation in Thailand. Ethnic minorities such as northern hill tribe peoples, many of whom do not have legal status in the country, are at a disproportionately high risk for trafficking internally and abroad. – U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009 [full country report]
Wow! What a crummy world huh? Makes Los Angeles look like..well..Disney Land.
@ MOM:
My point is that it’s imperative that Blogs like this exist so that Slavery Will Never Again Exist in America as it Now Does in Third World Countries all over the world. Millions and millions of people are forced into physical labor, sold into prostitution against their will [many of them children of only 10 years!], and the people who were once forced into this prostitution eventually become human traffickers themselves.
@ ellen: You are correct when you claim, [“Yeah..but..if we look at our media [from textbooks to television to computers] for centuries, the picture is of What America Wants To Look Like From a White Perspective. And the fact is, America does Not Want to Accept Huddled Masses!”] It’s part of the American way to save face and pretend like we want inclusion for the sake of looking good to others.
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@mom: You touched on a good point: Education. In theory that is the optimal solution. However, when it comes to the application of it in communities, universities, job-training, this is where we will come up against resistance. Important questions to ask are: Who will define the curriculum? What will be the processes to overcome the resistance that will (inevitably) ensue? These are things to think about lest education forums become like the GUN-toting Health Care townhall meetings. YIKES.
Ellen, again, thank you for the education, but I knew about the slavery in third world countries…As mentioned before, I have no problem with this site. However, I do have a problem with brutal attacks on Americans. This site is not about black verses white. This site, I thought, was a new way of looking at racism, in regards, to how our “fore white” fathers founded this country, and apparently brainwashed all people in this country into the euro centrism way of thinking. Anyway, there are a lot of inter-racial marriages between whites and blacks, so what may have held true in the past is changing through time.. Just like the saying “the wheels of justice” grinds slow, so may the “wheels of justice” grind slow concerning racism. However, if people don’t know that there is a problem; then how can people fix the problem. I personally find this new way at looking at racism to be very interesting. However, there are a lot of people that would also agree if given the chance to explore this site without brutal attacks. And, with this being said, I really have “a truck load of s&%” going on in my personal life has nothing to do with “white flight” , but real life changes. I will continue to learn welcomed or not, but I will not tolerate insults, nobody should. Thanks, MOM:)
Lectures! @Sis I will really give this some deep thought because your question is valid. However, maybe, Black History Month. That month would be a great way to incorporate the topic of Africa. Sadly, I do believe, each state has it’s own standards or curriculum’s. Maybe if enough of WE the people voices were heard it could be accomplished. Let me think, and as mentioned before, I have some real serious stuff going on, but if I could be a help in anyway even if just one person at a time, I’ll do my part, and that’s a promise from the heart. Thanks, MOM:)
Just wanted to let folks know, as if it’s important or relevant, that I am not a male…I came back to apologize to those who I respect on here who may have thought or perceived otherwise….
Seattle said: “I came back to apologize to those who I respect on here who may have thought or perceived otherwise”.
Thanks for the apology Ma’am. You certainly owed us one.
[...] This all said, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that its children and health care which are sending the right-wing into a rabid froth. After all, both are associated with purity; parents – terrified of a fifteen minute presidential address – are yanking their children out of school in an effort to protect their “innocent” children from contamination by the words of a “socialist” (which, historically, is a charge often thrown at prominent black leaders). And retirees are denouncing health care reform as an attempt by socialists/communists to, essentially, taint their benefits by “giving them away” to illegal immigrants and other non-white “others.” [...]
[...] This all said, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that its children and health care which are sending the right-wing into a rabid froth. After all, both are associated with purity; parents – terrified of a fifteen minute presidential address – are yanking their children out of school in an effort to protect their “innocent” children from contamination by the words of a “socialist” (which, historically, is a charge often thrown at prominent black leaders). And retirees are denouncing health care reform as an attempt by socialists/communists to, essentially, taint their benefits by “giving them away” to illegal immigrants and other non-white “others.” [...]
[...] This all said, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that its children and health care which are sending the right-wing into a rabid froth. After all, both are associated with purity; parents –– terrified of a fifteen-minute presidential address — are yanking their children out of school in an effort to protect their “innocent” children from contamination by the words of a “socialist” (which, historically, is a charge often thrown at prominent black leaders). And retirees are denouncing health care reform as an attempt by socialists/communists to, essentially, taint their benefits by “giving them away” to illegal immigrants and other non-white “others.” [...]
In light of some of the comments that were made above, I thought we needed some good music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRZ1RPf_d_E&feat...
Just experimenting here and leaving another tune for all my toodles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06M-dsQf3Q