Comments on: Racism in the USA – and in the other USA: Views of Professor Jonathan Jansen http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:13:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: jwbe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/comment-page-1/#comment-8809 jwbe Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:42:56 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2644#comment-8809 some adds: racial segregation laws existed in Nazi-Germany, in South Africa, in Australia, in Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe) and others, Europeans established everywhere 'whiteness' etc. Europeans = whites (who is white can shift to a certain degree and varying from some country to another). Eurocentrism is considering in earlier times Europe and today the Western world, European thought and behavior and European people as the center. Whiteness is inseparable from Eurocentrism, because Eurocentrism is the root of whiteness. some adds:
racial segregation laws existed in Nazi-Germany, in South Africa, in Australia, in Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe) and others, Europeans established everywhere ‘whiteness’
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Europeans = whites (who is white can shift to a certain degree and varying from some country to another). Eurocentrism is considering in earlier times Europe and today the Western world, European thought and behavior and European people as the center. Whiteness is inseparable from Eurocentrism, because Eurocentrism is the root of whiteness.

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]]> By: jwbe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/comment-page-1/#comment-8808 jwbe Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:51:41 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2644#comment-8808 Joe, your wordgame doesn't make any sense, most of all when the quote you use talks about the Republic of South Africa. Also, the RSA of today is not the same like the Union of South Africa, which included South West Africa, today known as Namibia . >As for the Eurocentrism, it is certainly an important input into the white racial frame, but the Americans of European descent after several generations have made the dominant white racial frame a bit more Americentric or white-centric than Eurocentric. It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame…. . you forget how America Americanizes the world and you also seem to be unaware of the history of Americans as occupying force and culturally influental in Germany. American military introduced some Jim Crow practices in postwar Germany, unfortunately. . It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame…. . When you need 6 books to explain your white racial frame concept thats your problem, not mine. But it seems to me that for whatever reason you seem to try to seperate whiteness from Eurocentrism, however that works. But because of my not so white racial frame I am not so impressed by white men studying and writing lots of books and then becoming defensive when there are people who don't necessarily agree, based on this what you write here. ... Joe, your wordgame doesn’t make any sense, most of all when the quote you use talks about the Republic of South Africa. Also, the RSA of today is not the same like the Union of South Africa, which included South West Africa, today known as Namibia
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>As for the Eurocentrism, it is certainly an important input into the white racial frame, but the Americans of European descent after several generations have made the dominant white racial frame a bit more Americentric or white-centric than Eurocentric. It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame….
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you forget how America Americanizes the world and you also seem to be unaware of the history of Americans as occupying force and culturally influental in Germany. American military introduced some Jim Crow practices in postwar Germany, unfortunately.
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It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame….
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When you need 6 books to explain your white racial frame concept thats your problem, not mine.
But it seems to me that for whatever reason you seem to try to seperate whiteness from Eurocentrism, however that works.
But because of my not so white racial frame I am not so impressed by white men studying and writing lots of books and then becoming defensive when there are people who don’t necessarily agree, based on this what you write here.
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]]> By: Joe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/comment-page-1/#comment-8806 Joe Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:14:15 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2644#comment-8806 Actually, the Union of South Africa (USA) was the for a long time name for the country of South Africa (Union of South Africa) until the 1960s. I was playing off the old name, of course. As for the Eurocentrism, it is certainly an important input into the white racial frame, but the Americans of European descent after several generations have made the dominant white racial frame a bit more Americentric or white-centric than Eurocentric. It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame.... Actually, the Union of South Africa (USA) was the for a long time name for the country of South Africa (Union of South Africa) until the 1960s. I was playing off the old name, of course.
As for the Eurocentrism, it is certainly an important input into the white racial frame, but the Americans of European descent after several generations have made the dominant white racial frame a bit more Americentric or white-centric than Eurocentric. It is useful, actually, to read the work of people in some detail before making snap judgements on this. Try the last six of my books on this, and you will see what I mean by the white racial frame….

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]]> By: “White racial frame” « Stuff White People Say http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/comment-page-1/#comment-8758 “White racial frame” « Stuff White People Say Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:49:19 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2644#comment-8758 [...] I made two observations when it comes to white anti-racism in the Usa: it is obsessed with ‘the other’ and uses an American perspective only. I can be wrong with these observations, but this is the picture I got throughout the years. Your post ‘Racism in the USA – and in the other USA, there is a Freudian typo: “Professor Jansen talks about living between two racial cultures and compares the USA to the USA” (it should read compares the USA to South Africa I guess). It ends with the question: “Sounds like the other USA?” [...] [...] I made two observations when it comes to white anti-racism in the Usa: it is obsessed with ‘the other’ and uses an American perspective only. I can be wrong with these observations, but this is the picture I got throughout the years. Your post ‘Racism in the USA – and in the other USA, there is a Freudian typo: “Professor Jansen talks about living between two racial cultures and compares the USA to the USA” (it should read compares the USA to South Africa I guess). It ends with the question: “Sounds like the other USA?” [...]

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]]> By: jwbe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/24/racism-in-the-usa-%e2%80%93-and-in-the-other-usa-views-of-professor-jonathan-jansen/comment-page-1/#comment-8045 jwbe Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:38:22 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2644#comment-8045 a study of all white people's behavior and actions world-wide would be interesting and revealing about our common culture we Europeans spread to the world. Whites act quite identical regardless where they are and I don't know of any European group in occupied areas/former colonies which would adapt instead of enforcing their European culture which always includes racism, on others a study of all white people’s behavior and actions world-wide would be interesting and revealing about our common culture we Europeans spread to the world. Whites act quite identical regardless where they are and I don’t know of any European group in occupied areas/former colonies which would adapt instead of enforcing their European culture which always includes racism, on others

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