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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jwbe - Fair enough. My apologies. I guess we have to accept what is and go from there. Though, and I believe we can agree on this, I do wish more white Americans would actually listen to minorities when we explain the racial reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwbe &#8211; Fair enough. My apologies. I guess we have to accept what is and go from there. Though, and I believe we can agree on this, I do wish more white Americans would actually listen to minorities when we explain the racial reality.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@No1Kstate

&gt;@jwbe – I only disagree with the somewhat “giving up” tone of your first sentence. 
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you got this sentence wrong, it isn&#039;t about giving up and also not about being fatalistic.
It&#039;s just the reality.

.
America went on war, and there was a majority of whites supporting it, a war in the fight &#039;against terror&#039;. The arrogant mentality in the belief of a Blitzkrieg, because Iraqis were considered backward and stupid as it seems, the arrogance with showing war on TV for bored Americans, a war because the white entitlement was hurt. The disbelief that America could be attacked, the disbelief that not everybody on earth loves the US and not everybody outside America, probably almost nobody, believes American lies white Americans are so busy believing. 
Back then, with Bush&#039;s words towards the rest of the world &#039;you are either with us or against us&#039; and the flag waving hysterical Americans I understood how Hitler was possible. How masses can be so blinded and too few are trying to stop them, also nations. Because it is about money, resources and power and masses are easily manipulated. The West is united in a system of white supremacy but white anti-racists seem to fail to understand this. 
.

We are told that non-white nations with alleged nuclear weapons are the threat to the world and nobody could explain to me up to now why anybody should &#039;trust&#039; the USA, the only nation on earth that actually dropped two atomic bombs, why should we &#039;trust&#039; a nation where whites still celebrate their history in a way of fantasy that it is scary and which stations their military throughout the world. 
Racism is not just a problem in the US, and the system of white supremacy is a problem world-wide which is more than &#039;just&#039; racism. 
And regardless how eager the West might be to &#039;explore&#039; the universe if there is life outside earth, there only this planet regardless if we act in a way as if there are more. And yes I believe that for a white anti-racist trying to also understand the Eurocentric attitude towards nature also is important, understanding our own culture would be important and how deeply it impacts us while we try to combat the system. It is not possible to combat a system with ways that keep this system alive. 
White anti-racists should understand that they don&#039;t do it only for &#039;the other&#039; but for all of us humans and life on earth. 
.
Considering the magnitude of ws, considering the pain we as a collective inflict on others, not only within our own nations but world-wide, how laughable becomes a white whose only interest is not to be considered a racist or to be considered a &#039;good ally&#039; or wants to learn with all time needed for him/her until he/she will finally &#039;get it&#039; or mostly not.
Victor Frankl: &quot;Since Auschwitz we know what man is capable of. And since Hiroshima we know what is at stake.&quot; 
But ok, I think I am off topic probably. 
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@siss
&gt;jwbe – “where ‘minorities’ are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.” Can you elaborate?
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I don&#039;t understand what I should elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@No1Kstate</p>
<p>&gt;@jwbe – I only disagree with the somewhat “giving up” tone of your first sentence.<br />
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you got this sentence wrong, it isn&#8217;t about giving up and also not about being fatalistic.<br />
It&#8217;s just the reality.</p>
<p>.<br />
America went on war, and there was a majority of whites supporting it, a war in the fight &#8216;against terror&#8217;. The arrogant mentality in the belief of a Blitzkrieg, because Iraqis were considered backward and stupid as it seems, the arrogance with showing war on TV for bored Americans, a war because the white entitlement was hurt. The disbelief that America could be attacked, the disbelief that not everybody on earth loves the US and not everybody outside America, probably almost nobody, believes American lies white Americans are so busy believing.<br />
Back then, with Bush&#8217;s words towards the rest of the world &#8216;you are either with us or against us&#8217; and the flag waving hysterical Americans I understood how Hitler was possible. How masses can be so blinded and too few are trying to stop them, also nations. Because it is about money, resources and power and masses are easily manipulated. The West is united in a system of white supremacy but white anti-racists seem to fail to understand this.<br />
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<p>We are told that non-white nations with alleged nuclear weapons are the threat to the world and nobody could explain to me up to now why anybody should &#8216;trust&#8217; the USA, the only nation on earth that actually dropped two atomic bombs, why should we &#8216;trust&#8217; a nation where whites still celebrate their history in a way of fantasy that it is scary and which stations their military throughout the world.<br />
Racism is not just a problem in the US, and the system of white supremacy is a problem world-wide which is more than &#8216;just&#8217; racism.<br />
And regardless how eager the West might be to &#8216;explore&#8217; the universe if there is life outside earth, there only this planet regardless if we act in a way as if there are more. And yes I believe that for a white anti-racist trying to also understand the Eurocentric attitude towards nature also is important, understanding our own culture would be important and how deeply it impacts us while we try to combat the system. It is not possible to combat a system with ways that keep this system alive.<br />
White anti-racists should understand that they don&#8217;t do it only for &#8216;the other&#8217; but for all of us humans and life on earth.<br />
.<br />
Considering the magnitude of ws, considering the pain we as a collective inflict on others, not only within our own nations but world-wide, how laughable becomes a white whose only interest is not to be considered a racist or to be considered a &#8216;good ally&#8217; or wants to learn with all time needed for him/her until he/she will finally &#8216;get it&#8217; or mostly not.<br />
Victor Frankl: &#8220;Since Auschwitz we know what man is capable of. And since Hiroshima we know what is at stake.&#8221;<br />
But ok, I think I am off topic probably.<br />
.<br />
.<br />
@siss<br />
&gt;jwbe – “where ‘minorities’ are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.” Can you elaborate?<br />
.<br />
I don&#8217;t understand what I should elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: distance88</title>
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		<dc:creator>distance88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nquest - I agree with all your points, I clearly took the last sentence out of the context of the article, which is a huge leap and something I should not have done--particularly since my intentions were not clear.

RE: substitutions/comparisons, for instance, I have heard some members of the gay community ask the question &quot;why are Blacks (and in particular, Black men) so homophobic?&quot; in a rhetorical manner (my response would be that a) homophobia is present in all races and b) homophobia is not a function of race, but more a function of religious attitudes and attendance of religious services.  Perhaps I was off-base, but I saw at least some similarity between this question and the question that Dr. Feagin used at the end of his article (again, when vicariously removed from context and understanding that this was not Dr. Feagin&#039;s intent).

@jwbe - the 88 in my nickname refers to the year 1988, IMO the greatest year in (recorded) music history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nquest &#8211; I agree with all your points, I clearly took the last sentence out of the context of the article, which is a huge leap and something I should not have done&#8211;particularly since my intentions were not clear.</p>
<p>RE: substitutions/comparisons, for instance, I have heard some members of the gay community ask the question &#8220;why are Blacks (and in particular, Black men) so homophobic?&#8221; in a rhetorical manner (my response would be that a) homophobia is present in all races and b) homophobia is not a function of race, but more a function of religious attitudes and attendance of religious services.  Perhaps I was off-base, but I saw at least some similarity between this question and the question that Dr. Feagin used at the end of his article (again, when vicariously removed from context and understanding that this was not Dr. Feagin&#8217;s intent).</p>
<p>@jwbe &#8211; the 88 in my nickname refers to the year 1988, IMO the greatest year in (recorded) music history.</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>siss - I don&#039;t know exactly what jwbe had in mind, but I do know, for example, that the publicans blamed the housing bubble and financial crisis on irresponsible minority borrowers when the actual fault lies with the white execs who devised loan-backed securities on the thinking that the housing bubble wouldn&#039;t burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>siss &#8211; I don&#8217;t know exactly what jwbe had in mind, but I do know, for example, that the publicans blamed the housing bubble and financial crisis on irresponsible minority borrowers when the actual fault lies with the white execs who devised loan-backed securities on the thinking that the housing bubble wouldn&#8217;t burst.</p>
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		<title>By: siss</title>
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		<dc:creator>siss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwbe - &quot;where ‘minorities’ are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.&quot; Can you elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwbe &#8211; &#8220;where ‘minorities’ are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.&#8221; Can you elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jwbe - I only disagree with the somewhat &quot;giving up&quot; tone of your first sentence. I do agree that whites who would like to be anti-racist should consciously fight their own racism. You&#039;re right that whites&#039; making the issue about people&#039;s opinions of them and not about combating racism itself don&#039;t help. This need, this sense of entitlement to being the focus of attention is just one way in which white supremacy operates. So, I agree with you. I just wouldn&#039;t be so fatalistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwbe &#8211; I only disagree with the somewhat &#8220;giving up&#8221; tone of your first sentence. I do agree that whites who would like to be anti-racist should consciously fight their own racism. You&#8217;re right that whites&#8217; making the issue about people&#8217;s opinions of them and not about combating racism itself don&#8217;t help. This need, this sense of entitlement to being the focus of attention is just one way in which white supremacy operates. So, I agree with you. I just wouldn&#8217;t be so fatalistic.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and @distance, the 88 in your nickname may be your year of birth, nonetheless it could be understood otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and @distance, the 88 in your nickname may be your year of birth, nonetheless it could be understood otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we whites should finally face the reality that those who are opposed to racism are just not effective and probably also not powerful enough (in numbers) to actually stop this system. And this is also I think because most white anti-racists aren&#039;t willing to truly challenge white supremacy and white culture also within their own mindset, organizations and movements.

It doesn&#039;t make sense that individual whites want to be considered not racist or want to be considered a friend or ally and this becomes more important than the actual issue. 
Nobody of all of us (white) anti-racists would truly have an idea how to stop a second Hitler. We can quickly judge those Germans back then how stupid or whatever they have been, not realizing that with a word-wide declining economy and a right with simple sounding solutions to &#039;all problems&#039; becoming again more powerful today we are exactly again in a similar situation, where &#039;minorities&#039; are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.
And the only thing most whites can do is whining &#039;I am not racist&#039; or something like that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we whites should finally face the reality that those who are opposed to racism are just not effective and probably also not powerful enough (in numbers) to actually stop this system. And this is also I think because most white anti-racists aren&#8217;t willing to truly challenge white supremacy and white culture also within their own mindset, organizations and movements.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make sense that individual whites want to be considered not racist or want to be considered a friend or ally and this becomes more important than the actual issue.<br />
Nobody of all of us (white) anti-racists would truly have an idea how to stop a second Hitler. We can quickly judge those Germans back then how stupid or whatever they have been, not realizing that with a word-wide declining economy and a right with simple sounding solutions to &#8216;all problems&#8217; becoming again more powerful today we are exactly again in a similar situation, where &#8216;minorities&#8217; are being blamed and too many whites are again believing these lies.<br />
And the only thing most whites can do is whining &#8216;I am not racist&#8217; or something like that</p>
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		<title>By: Nquest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ distance88
~
Ah, okay.  My mistake because comment #4 (your first) came right after DavePaul&#039;s post.  Yet, again, no one would assume that Dr. Feagin would be one of those white men who are &quot;so slow&quot; when it comes to recognizing racism.  So, again, there was no reason to assume that any of his statements attempted to make a statement about ALL white men.  He&#039;s white, male and hardly someone who fits the description.  
~
He also started wrapping his commentary up with the very kind of qualifier you tried to pretend was absent:
~
&quot;Racism is just no big deal for many white Americans.&quot;
~
The simple English of it all, beside including both white men and women in the clause &quot;many white Americans&quot;, says that this is essentially Dr. Feagin main point/thesis of which the rhetorical question at the end of his commentary is clearly an extension of -- i.e. the question reiterates or builds on that point (as the sentences in between explained the basis/rationale for making the point in the first place).
~
How exactly you separated the sentence with the &quot;many white Americans&quot; from Dr. Feagin&#039;s final question is hard to understand. 
~
Regardless, I doubt anyone viewed your observation/objection as supporting or condoning Rusty DePass. Still, my point is:  there was nothing wrong with Dr. Feagin&#039;s post outside of some personal preference of yours for Dr. Feagin to be so circumspect as to avoid giving people who can&#039;t or won&#039;t follow the basic English argument building/context, for whatever reason, a reason to knee-jerk.
~
Also, it would be nice when you float these unexamined cliche-like thoughts like &quot;you can’t combat racism, which is the epitome of hasty generalization, with more hasty generalization&quot; and half-baked substitutions/comparisons like &quot;replace the subject of that sentence with any demographic or group... and what are we really left with&quot; for you to actually address scrutiny the way Dr. Feagin did regarding your scrutiny of his commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ distance88<br />
~<br />
Ah, okay.  My mistake because comment #4 (your first) came right after DavePaul&#8217;s post.  Yet, again, no one would assume that Dr. Feagin would be one of those white men who are &#8220;so slow&#8221; when it comes to recognizing racism.  So, again, there was no reason to assume that any of his statements attempted to make a statement about ALL white men.  He&#8217;s white, male and hardly someone who fits the description.<br />
~<br />
He also started wrapping his commentary up with the very kind of qualifier you tried to pretend was absent:<br />
~<br />
&#8220;Racism is just no big deal for many white Americans.&#8221;<br />
~<br />
The simple English of it all, beside including both white men and women in the clause &#8220;many white Americans&#8221;, says that this is essentially Dr. Feagin main point/thesis of which the rhetorical question at the end of his commentary is clearly an extension of &#8212; i.e. the question reiterates or builds on that point (as the sentences in between explained the basis/rationale for making the point in the first place).<br />
~<br />
How exactly you separated the sentence with the &#8220;many white Americans&#8221; from Dr. Feagin&#8217;s final question is hard to understand.<br />
~<br />
Regardless, I doubt anyone viewed your observation/objection as supporting or condoning Rusty DePass. Still, my point is:  there was nothing wrong with Dr. Feagin&#8217;s post outside of some personal preference of yours for Dr. Feagin to be so circumspect as to avoid giving people who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t follow the basic English argument building/context, for whatever reason, a reason to knee-jerk.<br />
~<br />
Also, it would be nice when you float these unexamined cliche-like thoughts like &#8220;you can’t combat racism, which is the epitome of hasty generalization, with more hasty generalization&#8221; and half-baked substitutions/comparisons like &#8220;replace the subject of that sentence with any demographic or group&#8230; and what are we really left with&#8221; for you to actually address scrutiny the way Dr. Feagin did regarding your scrutiny of his commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jwbe - LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwbe &#8211; LOL!</p>
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