Comments on: Deadly Consequences of White Racism in Death of Black Cop http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/ Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:49:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: JP http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-8677 JP Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:09:04 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-8677 lesson to learn in all of this: if you are a black cop, ALWAYS wear your uniform at all times.... there have been many times when off duty police officers became "on duty" so to speak....their jobs, like doctors, are never really over.... i hate how people uses excuses like "well blacks commit the most crimes, so of course he saw him as a suspect". that is a racist thought. essentially you are saying that all blacks, must be criminals....its reasons like that, some blacks end up in jail wrongly accused of crimes. like the dude who died in jail 10 years ago for a crime he didnt commit. and he ended up dying in prison before they finally said he wasnt guilty. when you assume all blacks must be suspects, and taht you cant trust blacks...you are causing blacks to harbor thoughts of lack of trust in police...its reasons like that, they dont believe in "snitching"...because the police have shown, that they do not intend to protect and serve for blacks. and its sad that blacks who actually rise up, are thrown back down into the pile with the gangstas and thugs. in the end, they will say it was either an accident or it was edwards fault....dutton is going to get off scott free and be able to police once again, no lesson learned. its always like that for white cops. when you are a minority, you come to the acceptance, taht there is no such thing as justice.... blacks are being told that there is no point in doing good, because they are no better and will be treated the same as some black thug..... if a black guy wants to be a cop..for his own safety against the white cops, he MUST wear his uniform at all times...if the rules say you cant, make acceptions for the blacks...because otherwise a cop will decide to kill him, based on the misconception that because he is black he has to be a criminal. lesson to learn in all of this: if you are a black cop, ALWAYS wear your uniform at all times….

there have been many times when off duty police officers became “on duty” so to speak….their jobs, like doctors, are never really over….

i hate how people uses excuses like “well blacks commit the most crimes, so of course he saw him as a suspect”.

that is a racist thought. essentially you are saying that all blacks, must be criminals….its reasons like that, some blacks end up in jail wrongly accused of crimes.

like the dude who died in jail 10 years ago for a crime he didnt commit. and he ended up dying in prison before they finally said he wasnt guilty.

when you assume all blacks must be suspects, and taht you cant trust blacks…you are causing blacks to harbor thoughts of lack of trust in police…its reasons like that, they dont believe in “snitching”…because the police have shown, that they do not intend to protect and serve for blacks.

and its sad that blacks who actually rise up, are thrown back down into the pile with the gangstas and thugs.

in the end, they will say it was either an accident or it was edwards fault….dutton is going to get off scott free and be able to police once again, no lesson learned. its always like that for white cops.

when you are a minority, you come to the acceptance, taht there is no such thing as justice….

blacks are being told that there is no point in doing good, because they are no better and will be treated the same as some black thug…..

if a black guy wants to be a cop..for his own safety against the white cops, he MUST wear his uniform at all times…if the rules say you cant, make acceptions for the blacks…because otherwise a cop will decide to kill him, based on the misconception that because he is black he has to be a criminal.

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]]> By: Brian http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-8636 Brian Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:27:53 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-8636 Off duty police officers should not be allowed to carry guns. They should feel as defenseless as most citizens feel. Let's get all the facts in the case before making a decision on this unfortunate tragedy. Off duty police officers should not be allowed to carry guns. They should feel as defenseless as most citizens feel. Let’s get all the facts in the case before making a decision on this unfortunate tragedy.

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]]> By: Justifiable Homicide « Stuff White People Say http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7727 Justifiable Homicide « Stuff White People Say Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:06:40 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7727 [...] Filed under: Uncategorized — jwbe @ 5:59 pm On Racismreview is a post about the tragic shooting of Omar Edwards. There it reads: “Edwards had seen [...] [...] Filed under: Uncategorized — jwbe @ 5:59 pm On Racismreview is a post about the tragic shooting of Omar Edwards. There it reads: “Edwards had seen [...]

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]]> By: Jessie http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7722 Jessie Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:40:05 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7722 Really great discussion here. I intend to come back and update that post with a few things that have come out in the press since I posted that but need to run around today getting a grant submitted. So, very briefly, in response to the last couple of questions from jwbe and No1KState: . <i>Are officers responsible within a given district or for example the entire city of New York? Means, an officer from eg Manhattan can also act as a cop, even off-duty, within eg Harlem? Or would he be obliged to call police working in this district?</i> . First, a few facts about NYC are necessary here. Harlem is a neighborhood within the borough of Manhattan, approximately 110th street to 145th street (north and south) and spanning the island of Manhattan from the East River to the Hudson River. New York City is comprised of five boroughs (Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island) and those cover a pretty wide geographic area (not sure exactly off the top of my head). . Within NYC, policing is done by "precincts" which are smaller sections of neighborhoods within each borough. There are also different police who are assigned to "housing" and "traffic" and - I think - that these don't exactly correspond to the precincts (but I could be wrong about that). As I understand it, Edwards (the man who was killed) was a housing cop and Dutton (the man who shot him) was in the nearby precinct. So, it's very possible that they wouldn't have necessarily known each other from the daily work lives. My point about where Dutton lives (Long Island - a suburb about 45 minutes to the east of the city) is that because he didn't live in the neighborhood he was policing, he didn't know Edwards by sight as a cop. . In terms of police procedure about 'acting as a cop even off-duty' - this is where there's still lots of ongoing debate and discussion and spin happening in the local news about what's the correct course of action for off-duty cops and who was in the wrong. My sense is that this is a gray area and that even the official police guidelines on this are intentionally vague. Really great discussion here. I intend to come back and update that post with a few things that have come out in the press since I posted that but need to run around today getting a grant submitted. So, very briefly, in response to the last couple of questions from jwbe and No1KState:
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Are officers responsible within a given district or for example the entire city of New York? Means, an officer from eg Manhattan can also act as a cop, even off-duty, within eg Harlem? Or would he be obliged to call police working in this district?
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First, a few facts about NYC are necessary here. Harlem is a neighborhood within the borough of Manhattan, approximately 110th street to 145th street (north and south) and spanning the island of Manhattan from the East River to the Hudson River. New York City is comprised of five boroughs (Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island) and those cover a pretty wide geographic area (not sure exactly off the top of my head).
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Within NYC, policing is done by “precincts” which are smaller sections of neighborhoods within each borough. There are also different police who are assigned to “housing” and “traffic” and – I think – that these don’t exactly correspond to the precincts (but I could be wrong about that). As I understand it, Edwards (the man who was killed) was a housing cop and Dutton (the man who shot him) was in the nearby precinct. So, it’s very possible that they wouldn’t have necessarily known each other from the daily work lives. My point about where Dutton lives (Long Island – a suburb about 45 minutes to the east of the city) is that because he didn’t live in the neighborhood he was policing, he didn’t know Edwards by sight as a cop.
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In terms of police procedure about ‘acting as a cop even off-duty’ – this is where there’s still lots of ongoing debate and discussion and spin happening in the local news about what’s the correct course of action for off-duty cops and who was in the wrong. My sense is that this is a gray area and that even the official police guidelines on this are intentionally vague.

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]]> By: No1KState http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7720 No1KState Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:25:11 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7720 jwbe - I have the same questions. jwbe – I have the same questions.

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]]> By: jwbe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7668 jwbe Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:09:06 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7668 one thing I would like to know, because of this quote from the OP: "“This is always a black cop’s fear, that he’d be mistaken for a [suspect],” a source said." . why don't know cops their own co-workers? Are officers responsible within a given district or for example the entire city of New York? Means, an officer from eg Manhattan can also act as a cop, even off-duty, within eg Harlem? Or would he be obliged to call police working in this district? one thing I would like to know, because of this quote from the OP:
““This is always a black cop’s fear, that he’d be mistaken for a [suspect],” a source said.”
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why don’t know cops their own co-workers?
Are officers responsible within a given district or for example the entire city of New York? Means, an officer from eg Manhattan can also act as a cop, even off-duty, within eg Harlem? Or would he be obliged to call police working in this district?

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]]> By: No1KState http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7660 No1KState Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:16:43 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7660 Ok. I'm just saying you correctly point out that it's wrong to say it's <i>never</i> happened to white cops. I even corrected my own blog. I'm just saying that the fact that it happens to white cops doesn't negate the fact that it happens to black cops way to often to be coincidence, and it doesn't undercut mordy's overall point. ~ I'm really curious as to what got the brouhaha going anyway. What is it you find objectionable about the original post. I may agree. I may disagree. But at least I'd understand your point. Right now I don't understand your point. All I got so far is something about the media portrayal of events . . . ? Ok. I’m just saying you correctly point out that it’s wrong to say it’s never happened to white cops. I even corrected my own blog. I’m just saying that the fact that it happens to white cops doesn’t negate the fact that it happens to black cops way to often to be coincidence, and it doesn’t undercut mordy’s overall point.
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I’m really curious as to what got the brouhaha going anyway. What is it you find objectionable about the original post. I may agree. I may disagree. But at least I’d understand your point. Right now I don’t understand your point. All I got so far is something about the media portrayal of events . . . ?

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]]> By: jwbe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7653 jwbe Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:11:40 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7653 No1kstate <i>I only looked through the years 2001-2009. Two things struck me. ~ 1) Notwithstanding the undercover cops, only one white cop was killed because the others thought he was a suspect. ~ 2) Even including the undercover cops, the incidence of white cops being killed for mistaken identity to black cops being killed for mistaken identity is too scewed to be accidental. ~ That said. Okay, jwbe, you’re not saying the race wasn’t a factor. Your problem is how it was presented by the original poster. Exactly what’s the problem with the OP as you see it?</i> . Mordy made the claim that there are no white cops who were shot because of mistaken identity/considered as a suspect, a perception which is probably more widespread. Because of this I posted some white cops, males and females, who where shot by another cop because of mistaken identity. And of course you can make the choice to skip over my posts. But when this is indicative of how you read my answers, I see no reason to answer any further question asked by you. No1kstate
I only looked through the years 2001-2009. Two things struck me.
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1) Notwithstanding the undercover cops, only one white cop was killed because the others thought he was a suspect.
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2) Even including the undercover cops, the incidence of white cops being killed for mistaken identity to black cops being killed for mistaken identity is too scewed to be accidental.
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That said. Okay, jwbe, you’re not saying the race wasn’t a factor. Your problem is how it was presented by the original poster. Exactly what’s the problem with the OP as you see it?

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Mordy made the claim that there are no white cops who were shot because of mistaken identity/considered as a suspect, a perception which is probably more widespread. Because of this I posted some white cops, males and females, who where shot by another cop because of mistaken identity.
And of course you can make the choice to skip over my posts.
But when this is indicative of how you read my answers, I see no reason to answer any further question asked by you.

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]]> By: National Black Police Association http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7651 National Black Police Association Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:12:18 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7651 The National Black Police Association Speaks Out May 29, 2009 The shooting death of NYC Officer Omar Edwards may be only hours old; however, the known facts thus far combined with the police experience possessed by members of the National Black Police Association (NBPA) reveal that the shooter, Officer Andrew Dutton, was reckless and shot without identifying himself as a policeman and worse, failing to give Officer Edwards a chance to drop his weapon. As has been the case in all shootings of black officers by white officers —by example the shooting of Officer Ridley in Westchester and the shooting of Officer Young in Providence, the shooting officers recklessly mistake black officers to be criminals and then commence fire without warning. This shoot first and ask questions later behavior clashes with the caution and protocol that we as police officers are supposed to undertake when confronting individuals with guns. Furthermore, consider that coroner’s report shows that Edwards was shot in the back. Consider that Dutton’s weapon is limited to a three round burst. Six to seven rounds were fired. This means that Dutton pulled the trigger at least twice. By the end of the first burst—Dutton had to know he was aiming at a man’s back and wrongfully firing his weapon. Two other officers were with Dutton, yet Dutton was the only shooter. Lastly, after Dutton shot Edwards—-Edwards was handcuffed and lay dying in his blood. The officers rendered no assistance to their dying black comrade. It was not until the paramedics arrived that Edwards was tended to. Without significant efforts by the New York City Police Department to cause officers to be more open minded, there will be many more black officers killed by fellow officers. Writer & Member: Christopher Cooper: 312 371 6752 (E-mail: cooperlaw3234@gmail.com); Executive Director: Ronald Hampton, 202 744 2897 (NBPANATOFC@worldnet.att.net) National Chairperson: John Hayes National Black Police Association 30 Kennedy Street-NW, Suite 101 Washington, DC 20011 (202) 986-2070 (202) 986-0410 FAX mail to: nbpanatofc@worldnet.att.net The National Black Police Association Speaks Out
May 29, 2009

The shooting death of NYC Officer Omar Edwards may be only hours old; however, the known facts thus far combined with the police experience possessed by members of the National Black Police Association (NBPA) reveal that the shooter, Officer Andrew Dutton, was reckless and shot without identifying himself as a policeman and worse, failing to give Officer Edwards a chance to drop his weapon. As has been the case in all shootings of black officers by white officers —by example the shooting of Officer Ridley in Westchester and the shooting of Officer Young in Providence, the shooting officers recklessly mistake black officers to be criminals and then commence fire without warning. This shoot first and ask questions later behavior clashes with the caution and protocol that we as police officers are supposed to undertake when confronting individuals with guns. Furthermore, consider that coroner’s report shows that Edwards was shot in the back. Consider that Dutton’s weapon is limited to a three round burst. Six to seven rounds were fired. This means that Dutton pulled the trigger at least twice. By the end of the first burst—Dutton had to know he was aiming at a man’s back and wrongfully firing his weapon. Two other officers were with Dutton, yet Dutton was the only shooter. Lastly, after Dutton shot Edwards—-Edwards was handcuffed and lay dying in his blood. The officers rendered no assistance to their dying black comrade. It was not until the paramedics arrived that Edwards was tended to. Without significant efforts by the New York City Police Department to cause officers to be more open minded, there will be many more black officers killed by fellow officers.
Writer & Member: Christopher Cooper: 312 371 6752 (E-mail: cooperlaw3234@gmail.com); Executive Director: Ronald Hampton, 202 744 2897 (NBPANATOFC@worldnet.att.net) National Chairperson: John Hayes
National Black Police Association
30 Kennedy Street-NW, Suite 101
Washington, DC 20011
(202) 986-2070 (202) 986-0410 FAX
mail to: nbpanatofc@worldnet.att.net

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]]> By: No1KState http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/05/29/deadly-consequences-of-white-racism-in-death-of-black-cop/comment-page-1/#comment-7645 No1KState Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:34:38 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=2292#comment-7645 I only looked through the years 2001-2009. Two things struck me. ~ 1) Notwithstanding the undercover cops, only one white cop was killed because the others thought he was a suspect. ~ 2) Even including the undercover cops, the incidence of white cops being killed for mistaken identity to black cops being killed for mistaken identity is too scewed to be accidental. ~ That said. Okay, jwbe, you're not saying the race wasn't a factor. Your problem is how it was presented by the original poster. Exactly what's the problem with the OP as you see it? I only looked through the years 2001-2009. Two things struck me.
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1) Notwithstanding the undercover cops, only one white cop was killed because the others thought he was a suspect.
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2) Even including the undercover cops, the incidence of white cops being killed for mistaken identity to black cops being killed for mistaken identity is too scewed to be accidental.
~
That said. Okay, jwbe, you’re not saying the race wasn’t a factor. Your problem is how it was presented by the original poster. Exactly what’s the problem with the OP as you see it?

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