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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7138</link>
		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah right, Siss. Nobody&#039;s been defensive or distressed. You just know this is an argument you&#039;ve lost. That&#039;s why you can&#039;t answer the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah right, Siss. Nobody&#8217;s been defensive or distressed. You just know this is an argument you&#8217;ve lost. That&#8217;s why you can&#8217;t answer the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: siss</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7137</link>
		<dc:creator>siss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that is typical is your paranoia. I’m not out to get you or your beliefs, but your defensiveness, along with other posters, signals your distress. That’s why I have moved on Nquest. I do not engage with people who can’t handle and maintain a calm and mature discussion. Call it what you will…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that is typical is your paranoia. I’m not out to get you or your beliefs, but your defensiveness, along with other posters, signals your distress. That’s why I have moved on Nquest. I do not engage with people who can’t handle and maintain a calm and mature discussion. Call it what you will…</p>
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		<title>By: Nquest</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7131</link>
		<dc:creator>Nquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...the cause is all in the eye of the beholder. It varies from person to person.&lt;/i&gt;
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Siss, your statement is now even more problematic.  If &quot;THE CAUSE&quot; differs from person to person then your statement doesn&#039;t make sense.  Your statement makes even less sense when you mention people who don&#039;t believe there is a cause for they are irrelevant to the idea you tried to communicate when you said:

&lt;b&gt;Getting bogged down with nitpicking only hinders the cause.&lt;/b&gt;

Again, I ask you WHAT IS &quot;THE CAUSE&quot;?  

Note:  I&#039;m not asking &quot;some people&quot; or &quot;others&quot;, I&#039;m asking YOU.  You said it and I&#039;m asking you to explain what you said/meant.

Also, your statement can only make sense when YOU believe there is a consensus as to what &quot;THE CAUSE&quot; is within the group you&#039;re addressing.  In fact, your statement functions as if you&#039;ve established such a consensus with the people/person you&#039;re addressing.  That, or you were hoping you could influence the way the people/person you were addressing by viewed the so-called &quot;nitpicking&quot; by raising the specter of the hindered, hampered &quot;CAUSE&quot; you obviously believe they care about.

So, naturally, your TYPICAL (like verbatim, done seen so much it&#039;s like &quot;too numerous to mention) White framing, TYPICAL thinly-veiled threat via the fallacious &quot;you don&#039;t want to hindered THE CAUSE, do you?&quot; type of framing has to be predicated on what you think the other person(s) value as you present yourself as a person who values &quot;THE CAUSE&quot;, the SAME CAUSE they do, to the same degree they do if not more since you&#039;re aware of what &quot;hinders&quot; THE CAUSE.

Your framing is presented as if you have a definitive perspective on what THE CAUSE is.  So, please be so kind as to tell us what THE CAUSE is.  Then and only then can we tell if said &quot;nitpicking&quot; will &quot;hinder&quot; it and with WHOM because you would have to identify what the &quot;nitpicking&quot; does to all those contributing to THE CAUSE.

PS:

Your &quot;moving on&quot; is also TYPICAL.  As typical as your games are transparent.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;the cause is all in the eye of the beholder. It varies from person to person.</i><br />
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Siss, your statement is now even more problematic.  If &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221; differs from person to person then your statement doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Your statement makes even less sense when you mention people who don&#8217;t believe there is a cause for they are irrelevant to the idea you tried to communicate when you said:</p>
<p><b>Getting bogged down with nitpicking only hinders the cause.</b></p>
<p>Again, I ask you WHAT IS &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Note:  I&#8217;m not asking &#8220;some people&#8221; or &#8220;others&#8221;, I&#8217;m asking YOU.  You said it and I&#8217;m asking you to explain what you said/meant.</p>
<p>Also, your statement can only make sense when YOU believe there is a consensus as to what &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221; is within the group you&#8217;re addressing.  In fact, your statement functions as if you&#8217;ve established such a consensus with the people/person you&#8217;re addressing.  That, or you were hoping you could influence the way the people/person you were addressing by viewed the so-called &#8220;nitpicking&#8221; by raising the specter of the hindered, hampered &#8220;CAUSE&#8221; you obviously believe they care about.</p>
<p>So, naturally, your TYPICAL (like verbatim, done seen so much it&#8217;s like &#8220;too numerous to mention) White framing, TYPICAL thinly-veiled threat via the fallacious &#8220;you don&#8217;t want to hindered THE CAUSE, do you?&#8221; type of framing has to be predicated on what you think the other person(s) value as you present yourself as a person who values &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221;, the SAME CAUSE they do, to the same degree they do if not more since you&#8217;re aware of what &#8220;hinders&#8221; THE CAUSE.</p>
<p>Your framing is presented as if you have a definitive perspective on what THE CAUSE is.  So, please be so kind as to tell us what THE CAUSE is.  Then and only then can we tell if said &#8220;nitpicking&#8221; will &#8220;hinder&#8221; it and with WHOM because you would have to identify what the &#8220;nitpicking&#8221; does to all those contributing to THE CAUSE.</p>
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<p>Your &#8220;moving on&#8221; is also TYPICAL.  As typical as your games are transparent.  <img src='http://www.racismreview.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been on your site for a little while, but thank you for this post. I had a confused look when I saw the chia pet commercial. I kept waiting for it to be some weird joke, but no, at the end it wasn&#039;t. I felt offended and weirded out by it. I&#039;m White and felt it was racist and just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been on your site for a little while, but thank you for this post. I had a confused look when I saw the chia pet commercial. I kept waiting for it to be some weird joke, but no, at the end it wasn&#8217;t. I felt offended and weirded out by it. I&#8217;m White and felt it was racist and just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: sylvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tip 20%! 
thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tip 20%!<br />
thank you</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7107</link>
		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out the group who works hard and has success and recognizes the big issues we still face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out the group who works hard and has success and recognizes the big issues we still face.</p>
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		<title>By: siss</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7104</link>
		<dc:creator>siss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... the cause is all in the eye of the beholder. It varies from person to person. For some, there is no cause because they feel we live in a post-racial society. For others, it&#039;s a gradual process of correcting-identifying-healing, always recognizing the accomplishments we have made thus far. And still others, who wallow in self pity and blame others for their shortcomings, feel that we have never really begun. 
**moving on to next topic** :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; the cause is all in the eye of the beholder. It varies from person to person. For some, there is no cause because they feel we live in a post-racial society. For others, it&#8217;s a gradual process of correcting-identifying-healing, always recognizing the accomplishments we have made thus far. And still others, who wallow in self pity and blame others for their shortcomings, feel that we have never really begun.<br />
**moving on to next topic** <img src='http://www.racismreview.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7099</link>
		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nquest - you are a bad, bad boy. I&#039;m with you on hindering the cause &quot;with whom.&quot; Historically, white people have looked for and used every reason in the book to not have to make a full account of racism. By &quot;healing&quot; they clearly don&#039;t mean living in a &quot;just&quot; and &quot;equal&quot; society. What they mean (notwithstanding whatever Siss means) is when we&#039;re silent about the racist things they say and do. Personally, I probably wouldn&#039;t say boo if the &quot;big picture&quot; included justice or if we really were, together, working towards equality; but acts such as these, I feel, are symptomatic of the problem with the &quot;big picture.&quot; I completely agree with Jessie in regards to how this absurd incidence relate to society at large. If things were at a place of &quot;healing&quot; there&#039;d be more black people working at places like the NYPost, that NY bakery, and the chia-pet producers, we&#039;d see a lot less of this stuff, if any. Out of several black people, at least one would&#039;ve raised concerns about the chia Obama. And for the fried chicken place, (1) my guess is that the owners, while people of color, aren&#039;t black and (2) we see the response of a community that has economic leverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nquest &#8211; you are a bad, bad boy. I&#8217;m with you on hindering the cause &#8220;with whom.&#8221; Historically, white people have looked for and used every reason in the book to not have to make a full account of racism. By &#8220;healing&#8221; they clearly don&#8217;t mean living in a &#8220;just&#8221; and &#8220;equal&#8221; society. What they mean (notwithstanding whatever Siss means) is when we&#8217;re silent about the racist things they say and do. Personally, I probably wouldn&#8217;t say boo if the &#8220;big picture&#8221; included justice or if we really were, together, working towards equality; but acts such as these, I feel, are symptomatic of the problem with the &#8220;big picture.&#8221; I completely agree with Jessie in regards to how this absurd incidence relate to society at large. If things were at a place of &#8220;healing&#8221; there&#8217;d be more black people working at places like the NYPost, that NY bakery, and the chia-pet producers, we&#8217;d see a lot less of this stuff, if any. Out of several black people, at least one would&#8217;ve raised concerns about the chia Obama. And for the fried chicken place, (1) my guess is that the owners, while people of color, aren&#8217;t black and (2) we see the response of a community that has economic leverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Nquest</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/04/08/racism-of-the-absurd-chia-pets-fried-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-7097</link>
		<dc:creator>Nquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siss,
&#124;
Your &quot;boy that cried wolf&quot; analogy is as revealing as it is inaccurate.  Then you erect the false choices -- false because you obviously did not present them in earnest.
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The first stage you presented was the &quot;identify&quot; stage.  Well, that certainly wasn&#039;t an earnest suggestion because you have dismissed the effort here to &quot;identify&quot; (and, consequently, the opportunity to &quot;correct&quot;) all because of the mythical &quot;bigger picture&quot; rhetoric which, of course, is all compounded by your &quot;cry wolf&quot; rhetoric.

The little boy that cried wolf, of course, was perhaps someone you would classify as &quot;looking for something to complain about.&quot;  And, of course, the message you want to get across, fallacious as it is, as apologetic as it is (&quot;No society is perfect&quot; = you have to excuse said imperfections -- an admission the contradicts your &quot;cry wolf&quot; rhetoric)... the message you&#039;re trying to get across &quot;ya&#039;ll complain too much&quot; or, more precisely, &quot;ya&#039;ll complain about every little thing.&quot;  
&#124;
Of course, those little things, those little imperfections are supposed to be ignored and, as a result, remain unidentified.  The &quot;healing&quot;, the pretentious offer of &quot;healing&quot;, somehow is supposed to occur with those ignoring blinders on because of some &quot;bigger picture&quot; idea you&#039;ve yet to articulate and, by focusing &quot;healing&quot;, it&#039;s obvious that your concern is not with the &quot;correction.&quot;  No, you&#039;ve clearly expressed your desire to by-pass that since &quot;We have identified and for the most part corrected...&quot;
&#124;
Complete correction, even complete eradication of what you think &quot;we have corrected&quot; is apparently out of the question.  How exactly you think &quot;healing&quot; can begin, much less be completed, in situation like that is beyond anything worthy of being called reason...
&#124;
As far as what you &quot;meant&quot; to say...  It was very clear.  You specifically made your &quot;two different kinds of hurts&quot; remark in response to No1kstate&#039;s intentional vs. unintentional &quot;stepping on someone&#039;s foot&quot; analogy and you said exactly this:
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;As for the example of stepping on someone’s foot, no, the force is NOT the same.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&#124;
You were clearly making the argument that &quot;intent&quot; somehow matters.  Both No1kstate and I presented examples were intent doesn&#039;t matter.  Those were also examples were the &quot;hurt&quot; wouldn&#039;t differ one bit or in any degree.
&#124;
As for your &quot;obscuring the bigger picture&quot; idea...  Now that&#039;s beyond silly.  Jessie was clear in how he related the chia pet and Obama chicken &quot;isolated incidents&quot; to the bigger picture when he said people are tone deaf... about the ways that language and images involving race and racism reverberate in the broader culture.&quot;
&#124;
As for your &quot;hinders the cause&quot; notion...  QUESTION:  Hinder the cause WITH WHOM?
&#124;
Answer that then present the historical evidence to support your claim.   But before you do that, please specify what &quot;THE CAUSE&quot; is and how it relates to this idea of it being hindered.   
&#124;
This is typical rhetoric that tries to give &quot;THE CAUSE&quot; a mission it never necessarily had.  So, yes, Siss... please tell us what &quot;THE CAUSE&quot; is.  So far, you&#039;ve communicated that, since no society is perfect and since, in your curious view, everything has been corrected &quot;for the most part&quot;...  Well, it&#039;s time to be done with trying to identify or correct anything else.  Let&#039;s &quot;heal&quot; (prematurely=not at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siss,<br />
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Your &#8220;boy that cried wolf&#8221; analogy is as revealing as it is inaccurate.  Then you erect the false choices &#8212; false because you obviously did not present them in earnest.<br />
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The first stage you presented was the &#8220;identify&#8221; stage.  Well, that certainly wasn&#8217;t an earnest suggestion because you have dismissed the effort here to &#8220;identify&#8221; (and, consequently, the opportunity to &#8220;correct&#8221;) all because of the mythical &#8220;bigger picture&#8221; rhetoric which, of course, is all compounded by your &#8220;cry wolf&#8221; rhetoric.</p>
<p>The little boy that cried wolf, of course, was perhaps someone you would classify as &#8220;looking for something to complain about.&#8221;  And, of course, the message you want to get across, fallacious as it is, as apologetic as it is (&#8220;No society is perfect&#8221; = you have to excuse said imperfections &#8212; an admission the contradicts your &#8220;cry wolf&#8221; rhetoric)&#8230; the message you&#8217;re trying to get across &#8220;ya&#8217;ll complain too much&#8221; or, more precisely, &#8220;ya&#8217;ll complain about every little thing.&#8221;<br />
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Of course, those little things, those little imperfections are supposed to be ignored and, as a result, remain unidentified.  The &#8220;healing&#8221;, the pretentious offer of &#8220;healing&#8221;, somehow is supposed to occur with those ignoring blinders on because of some &#8220;bigger picture&#8221; idea you&#8217;ve yet to articulate and, by focusing &#8220;healing&#8221;, it&#8217;s obvious that your concern is not with the &#8220;correction.&#8221;  No, you&#8217;ve clearly expressed your desire to by-pass that since &#8220;We have identified and for the most part corrected&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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Complete correction, even complete eradication of what you think &#8220;we have corrected&#8221; is apparently out of the question.  How exactly you think &#8220;healing&#8221; can begin, much less be completed, in situation like that is beyond anything worthy of being called reason&#8230;<br />
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As far as what you &#8220;meant&#8221; to say&#8230;  It was very clear.  You specifically made your &#8220;two different kinds of hurts&#8221; remark in response to No1kstate&#8217;s intentional vs. unintentional &#8220;stepping on someone&#8217;s foot&#8221; analogy and you said exactly this:<br />
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<i>&#8220;As for the example of stepping on someone’s foot, no, the force is NOT the same.&#8221;</i><br />
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You were clearly making the argument that &#8220;intent&#8221; somehow matters.  Both No1kstate and I presented examples were intent doesn&#8217;t matter.  Those were also examples were the &#8220;hurt&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t differ one bit or in any degree.<br />
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As for your &#8220;obscuring the bigger picture&#8221; idea&#8230;  Now that&#8217;s beyond silly.  Jessie was clear in how he related the chia pet and Obama chicken &#8220;isolated incidents&#8221; to the bigger picture when he said people are tone deaf&#8230; about the ways that language and images involving race and racism reverberate in the broader culture.&#8221;<br />
|<br />
As for your &#8220;hinders the cause&#8221; notion&#8230;  QUESTION:  Hinder the cause WITH WHOM?<br />
|<br />
Answer that then present the historical evidence to support your claim.   But before you do that, please specify what &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221; is and how it relates to this idea of it being hindered.<br />
|<br />
This is typical rhetoric that tries to give &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221; a mission it never necessarily had.  So, yes, Siss&#8230; please tell us what &#8220;THE CAUSE&#8221; is.  So far, you&#8217;ve communicated that, since no society is perfect and since, in your curious view, everything has been corrected &#8220;for the most part&#8221;&#8230;  Well, it&#8217;s time to be done with trying to identify or correct anything else.  Let&#8217;s &#8220;heal&#8221; (prematurely=not at all).</p>
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		<title>By: siss</title>
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		<dc:creator>siss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Two different kinds of hurts” was meant to signify the degree of hurt. While some issues need to be dealt with, others, like a chia pet, do not. This just one more example of how the issue of race becomes marginalized when people try to relate every little aspect of life to race, obscuring the bigger picture. And you know what happened with the little boy cried wolf too many times….Getting bogged down with nitpicking only hinders the cause. Isn’t the focus of the topic of “race” to identify, correct and heal? We have identified and for the most part corrected…. Now when can healing occur? No society is perfect; America in particular… but COME ON. This is beyond silly. This seems like someone is just looking for something to complain about. 
If people look hard enough, they will find…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Two different kinds of hurts” was meant to signify the degree of hurt. While some issues need to be dealt with, others, like a chia pet, do not. This just one more example of how the issue of race becomes marginalized when people try to relate every little aspect of life to race, obscuring the bigger picture. And you know what happened with the little boy cried wolf too many times….Getting bogged down with nitpicking only hinders the cause. Isn’t the focus of the topic of “race” to identify, correct and heal? We have identified and for the most part corrected…. Now when can healing occur? No society is perfect; America in particular… but COME ON. This is beyond silly. This seems like someone is just looking for something to complain about.<br />
If people look hard enough, they will find…..</p>
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