Comments on: Finally Seeing the White Elephant in the Room http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:01:09 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5321 Seattle in Texas Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:42:53 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5321 I wanted to come back and report that Texas exceeded their threshhold for delegates they sent to Denver. The goal for African American representation was 54% and it turned out to be 67%. 75 elected were elected, 8 unpledged superdelegates, and this is not including committee members. The goal for Latino delegates was 72% and they got 78%. There were 68 elected, 10 superdelegates, and others not including committee members. They exceeded their goal for LGBT--they were hoping to get 14 to 18, and sent 19 to Denver. The only goal not met was for folks with disabilities where only 13 delegates from this group were sent. Did not get the numbers for alternates. Go Texas Democratic Party! There is a very good possibility Texas is going Blue this year... :) I wanted to come back and report that Texas exceeded their threshhold for delegates they sent to Denver. The goal for African American representation was 54% and it turned out to be 67%. 75 elected were elected, 8 unpledged superdelegates, and this is not including committee members. The goal for Latino delegates was 72% and they got 78%. There were 68 elected, 10 superdelegates, and others not including committee members. They exceeded their goal for LGBT–they were hoping to get 14 to 18, and sent 19 to Denver. The only goal not met was for folks with disabilities where only 13 delegates from this group were sent. Did not get the numbers for alternates. Go Texas Democratic Party! There is a very good possibility Texas is going Blue this year… :)

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]]> By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5275 Seattle in Texas Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:21:07 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5275 I am going to see if I can get a good explanation for this. I assume the number for Latino, LGBT, etc. are also under-represented? But for now I will throw out my own thoughts just for fun. The majority of positions in the party that were filled at least in my immediate senate and perhaps those surrounding outside of Harris County, were by white folks. These positions (only few actually) at least the higher ones, guarenteed a spot as a delegate at the national convention. From there, well anybody can look this up. But as I understand it, before the primaries there were numerous empty slots. One of the issues addressed was the need for more African American and Latino voters to become involved and fill the vacant slots--which, to my knowledge, has been done. They are all, including the former folks, hard at work. Thus, I suspect if the TDP continues to stabalize and grow, the future representation of the state delegates representing demographics of Texas should hopefully be more on target? My attempt (definitely not excuse here...I admit the Democratic Party in general needs serious help...but, with Obama/Biden significant changes within the party can be made...so not giving up hope) to explain this...and it's not even a good explanation considering I think many understood the Affirmative Action figures would be met unless there were not enough folks in the categories to meet them, is that prior to this election perhaps the majority of folks in the party and in higher positions(?) were white.... Hmmmm.... However, I won't share the however's here as they just lead to more questions and tapping of the finger tips.... Nonetheless, I do still believe Texas is definitely a state to watch and all democrats in Texas need to keep up the hard work...changes can't be made with out it.... I am going to see if I can get a good explanation for this. I assume the number for Latino, LGBT, etc. are also under-represented? But for now I will throw out my own thoughts just for fun. The majority of positions in the party that were filled at least in my immediate senate and perhaps those surrounding outside of Harris County, were by white folks. These positions (only few actually) at least the higher ones, guarenteed a spot as a delegate at the national convention. From there, well anybody can look this up. But as I understand it, before the primaries there were numerous empty slots. One of the issues addressed was the need for more African American and Latino voters to become involved and fill the vacant slots–which, to my knowledge, has been done. They are all, including the former folks, hard at work. Thus, I suspect if the TDP continues to stabalize and grow, the future representation of the state delegates representing demographics of Texas should hopefully be more on target? My attempt (definitely not excuse here…I admit the Democratic Party in general needs serious help…but, with Obama/Biden significant changes within the party can be made…so not giving up hope) to explain this…and it’s not even a good explanation considering I think many understood the Affirmative Action figures would be met unless there were not enough folks in the categories to meet them, is that prior to this election perhaps the majority of folks in the party and in higher positions(?) were white…. Hmmmm…. However, I won’t share the however’s here as they just lead to more questions and tapping of the finger tips…. Nonetheless, I do still believe Texas is definitely a state to watch and all democrats in Texas need to keep up the hard work…changes can’t be made with out it….

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]]> By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5274 Seattle in Texas Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:36:40 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5274 Mordy, thank you. Might you know the number of alternates? I did not have time to look into this. In terms of further commentary on this, let me with hold for now. Thank you much again Mordy, thank you. Might you know the number of alternates? I did not have time to look into this. In terms of further commentary on this, let me with hold for now. Thank you much again

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]]> By: mordy http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5270 mordy Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:13:49 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5270 @ S.I.T again- i misread your question i see. <a href="http://www.jointcenter.org/index.php/publications_recent_publications/political_participation/roster_of_black_democratic_convention_delegates" rel="nofollow">Specifically from TX, there were 3 black delegates at the DNC.</a> @ S.I.T again- i misread your question i see.
Specifically from TX, there were 3 black delegates at the DNC.

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]]> By: mordy http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5269 mordy Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:02:53 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5269 @ Seattle in Texas- The comparison of black delegates at the DNC to those at the RNC is stark. <a href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/conventions/co_20080901_3469.php" rel="nofollow">24.5 percent of the delegates at last week's Democratic convention were African-American, according to the Democratic National Committee. That translated to 1,087 black delegates.</a> Other relevant figures cited in the same article point out that ... [that the] 1.5 percent of the 2,380 total delegates is a sharp drop from 2004, when there were 167 black delegates, 6.7 percent of that year's total. @ Seattle in Texas- The comparison of black delegates at the DNC to those at the RNC is stark. 24.5 percent of the delegates at last week’s Democratic convention were African-American, according to the Democratic National Committee. That translated to 1,087 black delegates. Other relevant figures cited in the same article point out that … [that the] 1.5 percent of the 2,380 total delegates is a sharp drop from 2004, when there were 167 black delegates, 6.7 percent of that year’s total.

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]]> By: thomas volscho http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5266 thomas volscho Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:59:10 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5266 I have the data from one of the CNN/Wash Post polls done in June and another CNN done in July. There was a question on whether current Obama supporters "may change mind" and I analyzed it by "race" as a "quick and dirty" means of assessing the "Bradley Effect". I found that roughly 28% of "whites" currently planning to vote for Obama indicated they may change their mind and not vote for him compared to about 10% of African Americans. There is a RACISM-BLIND literature in political science on the "Bradley Effect" that you can find in Google Scholar. I have the data from one of the CNN/Wash Post polls done in June and another CNN done in July.

There was a question on whether current Obama supporters “may change mind” and I analyzed it by “race” as a “quick and dirty” means of assessing the “Bradley Effect”.

I found that roughly 28% of “whites” currently planning to vote for Obama indicated they may change their mind and not vote for him compared to about 10% of African Americans.

There is a RACISM-BLIND literature in political science on the “Bradley Effect” that you can find in Google Scholar.

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]]> By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5260 Seattle in Texas Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:59:34 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5260 For anybody interested in how Texas Democratic Party strives for delegate representation: http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/the-math-of-affirmative-action-for-democratic-delegates-403/ I will see if I can get an exact breakdown also. For anybody interested in how Texas Democratic Party strives for delegate representation:

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/the-math-of-affirmative-action-for-democratic-delegates-403/

I will see if I can get an exact breakdown also.

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]]> By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5255 Seattle in Texas Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:11:01 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5255 An exception to many in white communities he is...and the Blue states will state Blue nonetheless. And I know down here, it would be tough to pull the wool over the eyes of Obama supporters regardless of which camp they most identify with....The question is, will the increased voters this time around (which I think will be significant) be enough to make a difference for the win--combined with the Clinton supporters who are supporting Obama, etc.? Only time will tell. But I love this. Mordy, I had to come back and ask, is there any way you could tell us what the number of African American delegates sent to Denver from just Texas alone were? Then can we compare that number to the entire number that was sent to Republican convention? :D An exception to many in white communities he is…and the Blue states will state Blue nonetheless. And I know down here, it would be tough to pull the wool over the eyes of Obama supporters regardless of which camp they most identify with….The question is, will the increased voters this time around (which I think will be significant) be enough to make a difference for the win–combined with the Clinton supporters who are supporting Obama, etc.? Only time will tell.

But I love this. Mordy, I had to come back and ask, is there any way you could tell us what the number of African American delegates sent to Denver from just Texas alone were? Then can we compare that number to the entire number that was sent to Republican convention? :D

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]]> By: Joe http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5254 Joe Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:24:57 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5254 Excellent discussion, thanks. A key to Obama's "success" with the 25 percent of whites who have voted for him in all primaries (taken together) so far is that many of these moderate/liberal whites see him as "an exception to his race," as not like the typical Black men. The way the Republicans will work is to increasingly tie him to other Black men, so he is no longer the exception. Only attacking racism frontally gives him a chance, with an appeal to whites liberty and justice values. And that is a long shot, of course. Excellent discussion, thanks. A key to Obama’s “success” with the 25 percent of whites who have voted for him in all primaries (taken together) so far is that many of these moderate/liberal whites see him as “an exception to his race,” as not like the typical Black men. The way the Republicans will work is to increasingly tie him to other Black men, so he is no longer the exception. Only attacking racism frontally gives him a chance, with an appeal to whites liberty and justice values. And that is a long shot, of course.

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]]> By: Seattle in Texas http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/09/14/finally-seeing-the-white-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-5249 Seattle in Texas Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:30:40 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=518#comment-5249 Mordy, I like your point (and GDAWG's as well). but I was thinking about the last point I had said I strongly agreed with--I think they (and definitely not "all") would only like it for primaries at most--mainly for show or otherwise, not out of anything genuine. Mordy, I like your point (and GDAWG’s as well). but I was thinking about the last point I had said I strongly agreed with–I think they (and definitely not “all”) would only like it for primaries at most–mainly for show or otherwise, not out of anything genuine.

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