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	<title>Comments on: Senator Obama as &#8220;Foreign&#8221; and Alien: The Frame Again</title>
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		<title>By: Seattle in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/08/10/senator-obama-as-foreign-and-alien-the-frame-again/comment-page-1/#comment-4724</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit off the topic from the main post above, but hits on the fuming of other topics mentioned above...on the federal government, environmentalism, profit, etc.:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_endangered_species;_ylt=ApfLOXnLfVXcea3OsO5b1mys0NUE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit off the topic from the main post above, but hits on the fuming of other topics mentioned above&#8230;on the federal government, environmentalism, profit, etc.:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_endangered_species;_ylt=ApfLOXnLfVXcea3OsO5b1mys0NUE" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_endangered_species;_ylt=ApfLOXnLfVXcea3OsO5b1mys0NUE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seattle in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of core thinking resting upon American values, Obama has demonstrated numerous times that his does. He&#039;s praised the founding fathers, Lincoln, etc. and has preached many elements of their very philosophy, even though it was originally crafted for Anglo&#039;s only. 

Immigrants (associated with &quot;foreign&quot; and &quot;alien&quot;). I have to laugh. Who&#039;s the &quot;immigrants&quot; or &quot;foreign&quot; or &quot;alien&quot;? The music world addressed it: 

(softer remake of the &quot;Immigrant Song&quot;):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1iDbEha7U

(original):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqv4sYKlOSM

Followed by,

(softer re-make of &quot;Run to the Hills):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguuHDW42OQ

(original):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4

Genocide, slavery...based on greed and illlusions of &quot;ownership&quot; and &quot;citizenship&quot;...It sickens me to hear of white people (particularly those who can trace their ancestry back to the 17th and 18th centuries in the U.S.) discussing conceptions of &quot;Immigrants&quot; when they don&#039;t even look at their own roots and history. It&#039;s all discussed with that strong sense of superiority and inherent entitlement. This nation needs to go far beyond a hallow apology to both African American and American Indian groups. Further, at least in my area, it has to correct for Chinese slavery and currently, wage slavery among the undocumented working communities from now on into the last several decades. In my opinion U.S. land needs to be governed by the original Natives of this nation, particularly with relation the environment. The white world and white politics only cares about money and it is not until they can find a way to profit off of some type of newer fuel, etc., that is &quot;environmentally friendly&quot; that they will become semi or pseudo environmentalist. Only if they can profit. This nation has much to correct for in way of reparations...for two main issues that tie back to the beginnings (American Indian genocide/brutality/land theft and destruction and slavery and Jim Crow for African American groups--both for contemporary ongoing inequalities and environmental wrongs)...then more for other groups on into contemporary times. I ask again, &quot;who&quot; are the &quot;immigrants&quot;, &quot;alien&quot; and &quot;foreign&quot;?  The definitions of &quot;immigrant&quot; are racist by nature because one has to believe in conceptions and the illusions associated with land &quot;ownership&quot; and &quot;citizenships&quot; for it to have not only the meanings associated with &quot;legitimate coloinization&quot; followed by its history, but also allow for the social enforcement of the conceptions to be followed through in the material world so they continue to serve to benefit whites and result in ongoing lethal consaquences for other groups.... (I haven&#039;t posted in a while so some of this is also addressing earlier posts, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of core thinking resting upon American values, Obama has demonstrated numerous times that his does. He&#8217;s praised the founding fathers, Lincoln, etc. and has preached many elements of their very philosophy, even though it was originally crafted for Anglo&#8217;s only. </p>
<p>Immigrants (associated with &#8220;foreign&#8221; and &#8220;alien&#8221;). I have to laugh. Who&#8217;s the &#8220;immigrants&#8221; or &#8220;foreign&#8221; or &#8220;alien&#8221;? The music world addressed it: </p>
<p>(softer remake of the &#8220;Immigrant Song&#8221;):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1iDbEha7U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1iDbEha7U</a></p>
<p>(original):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqv4sYKlOSM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqv4sYKlOSM</a></p>
<p>Followed by,</p>
<p>(softer re-make of &#8220;Run to the Hills):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguuHDW42OQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguuHDW42OQ</a></p>
<p>(original):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4</a></p>
<p>Genocide, slavery&#8230;based on greed and illlusions of &#8220;ownership&#8221; and &#8220;citizenship&#8221;&#8230;It sickens me to hear of white people (particularly those who can trace their ancestry back to the 17th and 18th centuries in the U.S.) discussing conceptions of &#8220;Immigrants&#8221; when they don&#8217;t even look at their own roots and history. It&#8217;s all discussed with that strong sense of superiority and inherent entitlement. This nation needs to go far beyond a hallow apology to both African American and American Indian groups. Further, at least in my area, it has to correct for Chinese slavery and currently, wage slavery among the undocumented working communities from now on into the last several decades. In my opinion U.S. land needs to be governed by the original Natives of this nation, particularly with relation the environment. The white world and white politics only cares about money and it is not until they can find a way to profit off of some type of newer fuel, etc., that is &#8220;environmentally friendly&#8221; that they will become semi or pseudo environmentalist. Only if they can profit. This nation has much to correct for in way of reparations&#8230;for two main issues that tie back to the beginnings (American Indian genocide/brutality/land theft and destruction and slavery and Jim Crow for African American groups&#8211;both for contemporary ongoing inequalities and environmental wrongs)&#8230;then more for other groups on into contemporary times. I ask again, &#8220;who&#8221; are the &#8220;immigrants&#8221;, &#8220;alien&#8221; and &#8220;foreign&#8221;?  The definitions of &#8220;immigrant&#8221; are racist by nature because one has to believe in conceptions and the illusions associated with land &#8220;ownership&#8221; and &#8220;citizenships&#8221; for it to have not only the meanings associated with &#8220;legitimate coloinization&#8221; followed by its history, but also allow for the social enforcement of the conceptions to be followed through in the material world so they continue to serve to benefit whites and result in ongoing lethal consaquences for other groups&#8230;. (I haven&#8217;t posted in a while so some of this is also addressing earlier posts, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/08/10/senator-obama-as-foreign-and-alien-the-frame-again/comment-page-1/#comment-4709</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mordy, you are surely right. Whites like Penn probably, mostly, do not think critically about these issues. The white racial frame, for most whites, is like the proverbial water goldfish do not see that they swim in. They think from the frame, with its many stereotypes, and really come to believe much of this stuff. Or, sometimes, they consciously use it for venal purposes, as you suggest. Either way, we have the impact of systemic racism.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mordy, you are surely right. Whites like Penn probably, mostly, do not think critically about these issues. The white racial frame, for most whites, is like the proverbial water goldfish do not see that they swim in. They think from the frame, with its many stereotypes, and really come to believe much of this stuff. Or, sometimes, they consciously use it for venal purposes, as you suggest. Either way, we have the impact of systemic racism&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: mordy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mordy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful post Joe... I am not sure whether my ensuing point will make the framing better or worse, but one gets the distinct impression that Penn and the rest of Clinton&#039;s demonstrably failed cadre of advisers were framing their position in purely political terms. That this would be a strategy that would succeed, as opposed to purposefully furthering a racial/racist agenda. Maybe at the end of the day it is a distinction without a great deal of difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful post Joe&#8230; I am not sure whether my ensuing point will make the framing better or worse, but one gets the distinct impression that Penn and the rest of Clinton&#8217;s demonstrably failed cadre of advisers were framing their position in purely political terms. That this would be a strategy that would succeed, as opposed to purposefully furthering a racial/racist agenda. Maybe at the end of the day it is a distinction without a great deal of difference</p>
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