Comments on: The Pseudoscience of “Intelligence” Testing http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/ Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:29:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jz123 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-1661 Jz123 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:11:34 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-1661 Here is something to think about An absolute, universal, definition of intelligence does not, and CAN NOT, exist: I recall that there was some controvesy a while back over who deserves the title of "the world's fastest man". It was interesting because some felt that the 1 mile champion should deserve it, while others thought the title should be reserved for the 100m dash athletes. Similarly, with regards to intelligence, what protocol should we used? If it's problem solving were interested in measuring, should 'intelligence' be defined as the sum of problems capable of being solved right now, should it be the rarity of being able to solve X amount of problems, right now that Y percentage of the population can solve (Was Albert Einstein the smartest man in the world, not because his IQ was highest, but because he could derive solutions to a relative handful of problems that NOBODY in the world, at that time, could do?) Maybe it should be the sum of problems solved for a person's age. Maybe it should be the hardest problems solved through a lifetime. Should problem solving be defined as discovering algorthims to problems without known solutions, or just regurgitating pre-existing methods on demand. Should we count enviornmental effects, or should we just disregard it. Is chance important (Was Isaac Newton's 'high intelligence' largely due the fact that he just happened to be hit by a falling apple while resting under a tree?) Here is something to think about

An absolute, universal, definition of intelligence does not, and CAN NOT, exist: I recall that there was some controvesy a while back over who deserves the title of “the world’s fastest man”. It was interesting because some felt that the 1 mile champion should deserve it, while others thought the title should be reserved for the 100m dash athletes. Similarly, with regards to intelligence, what protocol should we used? If it’s problem solving were interested in measuring, should ‘intelligence’ be defined as the sum of problems capable of being solved right now, should it be the rarity of being able to solve X amount of problems, right now that Y percentage of the population can solve (Was Albert Einstein the smartest man in the world, not because his IQ was highest, but because he could derive solutions to a relative handful of problems that NOBODY in the world, at that time, could do?) Maybe it should be the sum of problems solved for a person’s age. Maybe it should be the hardest problems solved through a lifetime. Should problem solving be defined as discovering algorthims to problems without known solutions, or just regurgitating pre-existing methods on demand. Should we count enviornmental effects, or should we just disregard it. Is chance important (Was Isaac Newton’s ‘high intelligence’ largely due the fact that he just happened to be hit by a falling apple while resting under a tree?)

]]> By: Jz123 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-1659 Jz123 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:24:30 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-1659 There is no set definition to intelligence. Europeans have monopolized the concept of IQ. The high IQ elite have no good reason to refute it's validity (they get through the system with it). Yes, there are other protocols that can be designed to measure intelligence, but it would mean that more whites would give up their intellectual status to foreigners. 'Real world' problem solving ability correlates vaugley with IQ (especially up to early adulthood). Creativity, correlates vaguely with IQ. These are two things that intuitively SHOULD correlate with high intelligence (but no body cares - everyone just wants to be smart). IQ tests are not only biased, they are dangerous tools. Psycho-warfare is used to supress intellectual efforts motivated, deep, cultured, emotionally stable, and domain gifted individuals of lower IQ. IQ is Barbaric tool of Western civilization. There is no set definition to intelligence. Europeans have monopolized the concept of IQ. The high IQ elite have no good reason to refute it’s validity (they get through the system with it). Yes, there are other protocols that can be designed to measure intelligence, but it would mean that more whites would give up their intellectual status to foreigners. ‘Real world’ problem solving ability correlates vaugley with IQ (especially up to early adulthood). Creativity, correlates vaguely with IQ. These are two things that intuitively SHOULD correlate with high intelligence (but no body cares – everyone just wants to be smart). IQ tests are not only biased, they are dangerous tools. Psycho-warfare is used to supress intellectual efforts motivated, deep, cultured, emotionally stable, and domain gifted individuals of lower IQ. IQ is Barbaric tool of Western civilization.

]]> By: Will http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-231 Will Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:25:42 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-231 I gotta say I'm with P6 on this one. Einstein did most of his work during the first half of the 20th century. There were very few black academics at the time and those that were around had to learn to think white in order to get through (I know there were exceptions and some great ones). With that said Einstein was able to complete his work because his racial and class background allowed him the training and time necessary to complete suck work. I gotta say I’m with P6 on this one. Einstein did most of his work during the first half of the 20th century. There were very few black academics at the time and those that were around had to learn to think white in order to get through (I know there were exceptions and some great ones). With that said Einstein was able to complete his work because his racial and class background allowed him the training and time necessary to complete suck work.

]]> By: P6 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-226 P6 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:49:36 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-226 Ah. You CAN'T read. Plus you're in denial about the nature of aparthied in the United States. There goes your intelligence thesis. Ah. You CAN’T read. Plus you’re in denial about the nature of aparthied in the United States.

There goes your intelligence thesis.

]]> By: James T. Smith http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-225 James T. Smith Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:58:05 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-225 I can read, the problem is your writing. You said: "Then how about Mayan mathematics? A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt" I don't know what that is supposed to mean. "even Einstein couldn’t have done his work under the conditions Black people endured" What conditions? Blacks had access to higher education during the time Einstein was working as a patent clerk. I can read, the problem is your writing. You said: “Then how about Mayan mathematics? A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt”

I don’t know what that is supposed to mean.

“even Einstein couldn’t have done his work under the conditions Black people endured”

What conditions? Blacks had access to higher education during the time Einstein was working as a patent clerk.

]]> By: P6 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-223 P6 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:31:41 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-223 And James, I take it you yield the central point that even Einstein couldn't have done his work under the conditions Black people endured. And James, I take it you yield the central point that even Einstein couldn’t have done his work under the conditions Black people endured.

]]> By: P6 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-222 P6 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:28:56 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-222 James: <blockquote>Are you saying Mayan mathematics was based on Egyptian mathematics?</blockquote> Are you saying you can't read? James:

Are you saying Mayan mathematics was based on Egyptian mathematics?

Are you saying you can’t read?

]]> By: James T. Smith http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-218 James T. Smith Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:00:01 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-218 "Make you uncomfortable?" No, why would it? "A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt" Are you saying Mayan mathematics was based on Egyptian mathematics? "If the society hadn’t been wiped out by the illnesses European invaders brought with them, who knows how far it would have reached?" The Mayans peaked and were on the decline well before the Spaniards arrived to brutalize them. Look up "Maya collapse". “Make you uncomfortable?”

No, why would it?

“A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt”

Are you saying Mayan mathematics was based on Egyptian mathematics?

“If the society hadn’t been wiped out by the illnesses European invaders brought with them, who knows how far it would have reached?”

The Mayans peaked and were on the decline well before the Spaniards arrived to brutalize them. Look up “Maya collapse”.

]]> By: Jessie http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-212 Jessie Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:07:33 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-212 There are a couple of really good, thorough, thoughtful posts about race and IQ here: http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/546.html and here: http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/ There are a couple of really good, thorough, thoughtful posts about race and IQ here:
http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/546.html

and here:
http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/

]]> By: P6 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2007/11/27/the-pseudoscience-of-%e2%80%9cintelligence%e2%80%9d-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-210 P6 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:10:56 +0000 http://www.racismreview.com/blog/?p=102#comment-210 <blockquote>Einstein developed the theory of relativity while working as a clerk in the Swiss patent office.</blockquote> I know. Did he have a college degree? Had he any formal mathematical training? Could he have done so without the formal training? Make you uncomfortable? Then how about Mayan mathematics? A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt, developed in isolation from Europe. If the society hadn't been wiped out by the illnesses European invaders brought with them, who knows how far it would have reached? Only the most provincial of people would claim white people invented mathematics.

Einstein developed the theory of relativity while working as a clerk in the Swiss patent office.

I know. Did he have a college degree? Had he any formal mathematical training? Could he have done so without the formal training?

Make you uncomfortable?

Then how about Mayan mathematics? A system as powerful as any Europe developed on the back of Egypt, developed in isolation from Europe. If the society hadn’t been wiped out by the illnesses European invaders brought with them, who knows how far it would have reached?

Only the most provincial of people would claim white people invented mathematics.

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